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• Gigabit Ethernet through AirPort Extreme

  I just got a gigabit home connection. If I connect my iMac via ethernet to gigabit municipal internet provider modem, II can get about 800 Mbps download based on the file netspeed.com. Nice.

  However, when I use my Airport Extreme as a router ethernet (put the extreme between the iMac and the modem) my speed drops to about 1/10 of that.

  None of the devices that I currently own are capable of handling 802.11 ac, so I know I could not anywhere near gigabit wireless speeds. But it would be nice to have the fastest speeds on the one machine I intend to connect via ethernet, then connecy to the extreme wireless.

  Airport Extreme really limit the ethernet so? Is there a setting I can adjust for more fast ethernet routing?

  If the AirPort Extreme 802.11ac is configured as a DHCP and NAT router, then the WAN to LAN speed will be limited to about 300-400 Mbps.  Check the results here:

  http://www.SmallNetBuilder.com/tools/charts/router/view

  If the AirPort Extreme is configured in Bridge Mode, then you would expect to see 600 - 700 MB/s speed this way.

  http://www.SmallNetBuilder.com/tools/charts/router/bar/75-LAN-to-Wan

  If you don't see results, then the AirPort Extreme is not to negotiate properly with your modem speeds.  Unfortunately, Apple has removed all the settings to manually adjust WAN port on the AirPort Extreme 802.11ac speed, so there is not much you can do others try a few unusual things...

  One of them would be to insert a Gigabit Ethernet switch between modem and AirPort Extreme to see if it will negotiate better speeds like that

  Another would be to try an Ethernet cable between the modem and AirPort Extreme cross.

  If none of these things help, then you should ask Apple to replace the AirPort Extreme to you and hope for more luck in the next test.

• Airport Extreme and Time Machine

  Two questions:

  I have a 2nd generation (I think) Time machine. Network performance is slow throughout the House. MacBook Air, iPad, iPhone, etc. In addition, we have internet high speed ugly (country life). The new Airport Extreme upgrade will speed up my network? Also if I buy AE without Time Machine can I use always current Time Machine for backups and not as a router? Running Mac Mini end of 2014.

  If the seed is limited by your internet provider then a new router will not help.

  Try to connect to a Mac via a cable (Ethernet). That will help determine if update will help your wifi router with internet high speed.

  An Airport Extreme includes NO storage. Apple's time Capsule incorporates an Airport Extreme and a hard drive for storage in a single package/case.

  Even if you bought a time Capsule you sill use your existing storage unit for your Time Machine backup

• Need help with network home using Airport extreme

  I need help with my home network.  I'm not very aware when it comes to all things network.  Here's how my network is currently set up.

  Cable modem to Airport Extreme for Gigabit Switch.  Cables come out of the switch to all areas of the House.  I have 2 other extreme airport connected in other rooms of the House directly on the wall that dates back to the switch.  I hope I am explaining that properly.

  My problem is that this seems to have caused some of my connections cable does not work.  When everything is configured, it has worked well.  All connections in the House worked.  Then we have disconnected one of the extreme airport and moved to another location in the House to have the best wifi coverage.  Since that time, a lot of the ethernet wall plugs are not working.  For example, when I plug in my Macbook Pro in making ethernet in my kitchen, it says connected but it has an assigned ip address and cannot connect to the internet.

  Any help you can provide would be great.

  I would like to get the return tech to help you to...

  But it is likely that something (or someone) has tampered with the settings.

  The layout is fine... but you can cause problems with the network by creating a loop.

  This can happen because the AE you moved is connected wrongly... somewhere in the network it is connected to the switch again.

  Or AE is set to expand wireless... It's FAKE... It will loop the network on the back main EI wireless.

  Unplug the two AE you have that function as extensions...

  Turning off everything else... then it works again...

  Do it in this order.

  Modem... Wait 2 min

  AE... Wait 2 min

  Switch.

  Now check that the network is working properly... power of customers in various locations and make sure everything is good.

  If so, then manually reset the two AE of factory and redo their installation.

• Why is my slower than wifi ethernet download speed when using the airport extreme?

  Hi all

  This is my first post here, so please bear with me. I currently own stunted 2011 Macbook Pro 13 inch and an extreme A1521 from the airport. My ISP has promised 50Mbps downloading and sending 10 Mbps. When I connect my MPro via ethernet/wi-fi to my modem I get as promised. When I connect my MPro via wi - fi to the extreme I get 48Mbps download download 9Mbps and it's ok. However, when I connect my MPro via ethernet to extreme I get 8-9Mbps download and 9Mbps. Anyone know how to fix this?

  If you check the 'fine print', your ISP has promised "up to" 50 Mbit/s and 'up to' 10Mbps.  The ISP might provide more than that during periods of slow activity, like the days of the week during the day, but much less during evenings when there are many more users on the Internet.

  When I connect my MPro via ethernet/wi-fi to my modem I get as promised

  I assume that you meant to check the Ethernet connection, you disable WiFi on Mac when you do this. And unplug the Ethernet cable when you check the speed of the WiFi, correct?

  If so, this tells you that the Ethernet port to both the modem and the Mac work properly, and WiFi work correctly as well.

  When I connect my MPro via wi - fi to the extreme I get 48Mbps download download 9Mbps and it's ok.

  If this tells you that the Ethernet connection between the modem and the AirPort Extreme works correctly, and wireless works fine on the AirPort Extreme.

  However, when I connect my MPro via ethernet to extreme I get 8-9Mbps download and 9Mbps.

  Well, you know that the Ethernet connection between the modem and AirPort Extreme works because you can register 48 Mbps Wireless.

  Thus, the possibilities are narrowed to two elements at this stage:

  (1) the Ethernet cable is defective or making intermittent contact. Try another Ethernet cable, to ensure.

  (2) If you have turned off AirPort Extreme and rebooted several times, and you know that the cable between the Mac and AirPort Extreme works properly, then you have reduced the question down to the Ethernet on the AirPort Extreme, which is probably defective switch.

  If you have not already done so, try other ports Ethernet on the AirPort Extreme.

  As a last resort, perform a reset material on AirPort Extreme and put up again. To perform the Hard Reset... power on AirPort Extreme for a few minutes, then hold it pushed in the reset button on the back of the unit (near the AC power plug) for 7-8 seconds and release. Allow a minute for the AirPort Extreme restart orange light flashing slow.

  I once went through two consecutive airport extremes with the same question about 8 months ago, so it can happen.

  If you're still having problems, then it is time to take the AirPort Extreme of Apple Store... If you have one near you... or contact the Apple Support directly by clicking on 'Contact the Support' in the upper right area of this web page.

  Good luck!

• Airport Extreme 7,7,7 drop connection and internet high speed

  My Airport Extreme (6th generation) have had the serious problems of the internet, as said in the title I had problems with my internet connection, I checked if that was the problem of the modem to the beginning (D3.0 Ubee) which was provided by my Internet, Charter provider.

  I've had Airport Extreme for almost a year to 2 years now and since then, I had no problem with my internet until 7.7.7 update came.

  I updated my firmware and this is where my random internet connection problem started.

  My current contract with the Charter are their 60 Mbps (download speed) and 4 Mbps (download speed), during the first days since I've updated 7.7.7 connections was fine and then my internet has started to decline since a means 50-60 Mbps (download speed) to 0.1 - 2 mb/s (download speed), my download speed has remained a constant 3-4 MB/s (download speed). I have tried and used Opendns several times, he really did nothing.

  I tried to turn off both modem and Airport extreme for a couple of minutes and turn on their return, but he does nothing and just refers to an extremely slow speed.

  The only way I found to fix my problem to get my internet to 0.1 - 2 mb/s (download speed) back to its original state, I find myself to be a restore return settings on the Airport Extreme with my Airport utility by default whenever the problem returns (which contributes to a certain degree as it gets my back up to 50 internet-60 MB/s) then he drops down again).

  I wanted to restore to 7.7.6 or the latest version of previous firmware before 7.7.7 (not too sure what version of firmware, it was) but I can't find how to spend my Airport extreme to my Airport utility.

  My question is what could I do to fix this problem if the decommissioning of my extreme (I need instructions with this too), change some settings, get rid of the * thing and get a new router, or am I stuck resetting to the parameter by default whenever she acts upward.

  I use windows 10 for my laptop

  Thank you for your time

  Unfortunately, the first question that you encountered is the AirPort for Windows utility has not been updated since Windows 7. In addition, it is not supported for use with the 802.11ac latest versions of airport base stations. Then downgrade to earlier versions of the firmware for base station can be difficult, unless you can get hold of a Mac or iOS device.

  If you are ready to test Windows 10, here are the steps to do:

  • Open the AirPort for Windows utility.
  • Select the base and then station in the utility menu bar, select the access point > Download Firmware...
  • Click on the Download Version dialog box, where the current version of the firmware is listed.
  • You should now see a list of the firmware versions that are available.
  • Click on the one you want to get off at.
  • Choose either 'continue' to continue with the downgrade, OR click 'Cancel' If you decide not to do so.
  • If you choose to continue, allow the firmware to be downloaded, installed and the base station to turn.

• Internet provider DOWNLOAD speed vs Airport Extreme

  Hello

  I had download speeds slow on my Airport Extreme for ipad, iPhone and imac.

  I have a modem connected via Ethernet cable to an ac Airport Extreme 802.11 Optimum.

  Ran to the application of speed test on my ipad II (within 5 feet of the airport).

  The results showed that the download is only 2.12mbps and upload is 24.97mbps. I pay for the 50mbps service.

  I tried the same thing by using a new iPhone SE and timed to 22,93 download and upload to 23.95. A little better but still not enough good.

  I contacted Optimum and they ran a couple of tests showing that my modem is online, signals are ideal, there is no loss of data to the modem and there is no failure in the region.

  They recommended connect a laptop directly to the router and without going through the airport. Will try it tonight to see the results.

  Assuming that the connection of the cable between the modem and the laptop is fast, what I can do to improve the speed of the WiFi?

  There is something to put in place at the airport? I guess there will be a reduction in speed between wired devices and WiFi but not this bad. What is the maximum number of devices (iphones, ipads or imacs) airport can support? I have at least 6 or more WiFi sharing schemes and wonder if this is the problem.

  Thank you

  Bob

  Please read using the Diagnostics wireless for you help to solve the problems of Wi-Fi on your Mac - Apple Support.

  What is the maximum number of devices (iphones, ipads or imacs) airport can support?

  Apple recommends 50. I got that three dozen sharing an Apple base station AirPort simultaneously with no noticeable performance degradation.

  The factor limiting the bandwidth will be the most restrictive of what follows, in no particular order:

  • your ISP
  • your local wireless environment, including other interference and competing wireless networks
  • the performance of the client machine
  • out of your control network conditions

  Your AEBS will not limit the bandwidth, but if you have reason to believe that it is, a "hard reset" is the only possible troubleshooting step. On rare occasions, an internal parameter becomes corrupted and this is the only way to fix it. By 'rare', I mean "almost never" and the last thing you should consider, after rule out all other possible causes of poor wireless performance.

• Loading slow web page and with Airport Extreme connection speeds

  About 5 days ago, I noticed a significant slow down the loading of web pages. In some cases, I see a blank white screen for up to a minute before the page is loaded. In others, the page never loads at all. And sometimes they load very quickly as expected. This happens with my iMac that is connected to a router via ethernet, as well as my Macbook Air connected via Wifi to Airport Extreme.

  I have a high-speed internet connection by cable Comcast/Xfinity: Blast 250Mbps.

  I tried to connect my iMac directly on the model of cable (Arris Surfboard SB6183), and there is no problem. Download speed was 30Mbps 300Mbps and upload.

  Then, I plugged my Airport Extreme router again and connected the iMac to the router via Ethernet. Download speed dropped to 100 Mbps!

  This suggests that the problem may be with the Airport Express. It is not a wireless problem, because as you can see the download speed went from 300Mbp/s connected directly to the model 100 Mbps when connected to the Airport Extreme.

  How do I troubleshoot/fix this?

  One last thing: I did a speed test with my Macbook Air that is connected via Wifi and the Airport Extreme router. Download speed dropped to 35 MB/s.

  Direct connection to the modem is so very fast, suggesting the internet connection Comcast isn't the issue. Speed falls even with ethernet to the Airport Extreme router connection, then decreases even more with the Wifi connection.

• Airport Extreme 5th Gen link speeds

  Does anyone know how to set the connection on the Airport Extreme router speeds (5th Gen don't box not turn)?

  I noticed that I get only a speed of 100 Mbps LAN link when it is connected via the LAN port.  I'm not concerned with the WAN port, as I already have superior to my bandwidth plan.  It is only to the local network only, because I intend to deploy a server and want faster transfer speeds in my house.

  I looked at the specs and the 5th generation has a 1 Gbps WAN + 3 Gbps LAN ports and the cable I use is estimated at 10 Gbps.

  Out of all my Macs including Wireless AC capacity up to 450 Mbps speeds, I have a Windows computer that is specifically for the game and uses a built in 10/100/1000 Intel NETWORK card.  Last night I noticed that my connection speed has been negotiated by auto to 100 Mbps, so I changed it to 1000 Mbps, it did not and refused to talk to the router.

  I have an Xbox One using a second LAN port and I wonder if the AirPort Extreme affects all ports LAN of the lowest common denominator.

  My WAN connection is connected to a modem DLink DCM301 instead of the ARRIS modem which does not work well with Macs.

  I have a 35' cable going to the Xbox and a 50' cable going to the PC in case you want to know.

  I wonder if the AirPort Extreme sets all LAN ports the lowest common denominator.

  No, it isn't.

  IF you have access to an older version 5.x of AirPort Utility and

  IF you have airport configured as a router... not a bridge

  THEN... You can adjust the parameters of the WAN port and speeds.  No controls for the LAN ports.

  

• Speed degrades with Airport Extreme

  Hello

  I have an Airport Extreme and need to extend the wireless range to improve the signal - so I added an Airport Express.  Setup was simple and I had no problems.  Firmware is up to date on both units.

  When connected the intensity of the signal is full, but overall wireless performance decreases over time. I have a 100 GB cable connection.  Sometimes it will get between 75 GB and 100 GB, but most of the time that it is of the order of 20-29GB.  When the Apple Express is connected it can go below 10 GB.

  I had the supplier go out and check on the signal of the street in my house and they claim that the signal is very good.  I have read several posts suggesting to change the channel of 2.4 Ghz 11-to-1, so I did.  5 GHz running at 149.

  Should I reconfigure the network so the Express is the main unit connected to the Arris SB6121?  Then set up a WAN to the extreme? Or any other suggestions?

  Thank you

  Extend wireless will slow dramatic wireless... that is part of what extend wireless because of the design.

  In addition, the Express is a slow device... It is not in the same League that the extreme... its absolute maximum speed by ethernet is 100mbit. So it is hardly usable as a primary router.

  I doubt, exchanging the roles of the express and extreme will help even if we can solve another problem.

  The airport the last extreme IE height Gen6 model is not compatible with SB6121 cable modem. There is nothing wrong with any of them... they do not work together. If you just test the express... but are not wireless extend with the extreme... Use ethernet or ethernet EOP (called homeplug United States) on the power adapters... which may or may not work... but when they are far superior to wireless technology extends the installation program.

  Is be another post down 3... It is a common problem.

  Airport Extreme & Motorola Surfboard SB6121

• Airport Extreme Gigabit Ethernet and Jumbo frames

  Hi all.

  Can anyone support me kindly about Gigabit Ethernet & Jumbo Frames with Airport Express?

  I currently have and use a 5th generation Airport Express and you want to buy the QNAP TS - 453 Pro NAS. In any implementation of storage NAS, Gigabit Ethernet, the frames extended as matching Ethernet card well, are all very important to achieve broadband performance, so my questions are:

  5th generation Airport Express

  
  

  • Are the NETWORK Gigabit NIC Ethernet card?
  • It also works with extended frames (QNAP NAS supports 4074, 9000 and 7418 bytes for MTU)?
  • QNAP can trunk NIC (if more then one) with the following options:
    • IEEE 802.3ad (dynamic link aggregation)
    • Balance-tlb (Adaptive Transmit Load Balancing)
    • Balance-alb (Adaptive Load Balancing)
    • others (mainly for failover)

  Is 5th generation Airport Express enough or should I think about moving to the 6th generation?

  Thank you.

  You mix up the terminology... Express and Extreme are totally different.

  The title is correct... Extreme... your question text replaces by Express... they are only 10/100... and gen only 2 of them.

  Any airport extreme Gen2 - Gen6

  Use the Gigabit ports.

  Do not support jumbo frames

  Do not support pairing.

• AirPort Extreme, gigabit Ethernet switch and covering my house

  I have an AirPort Extreme 802.11n to Time Capsule wireless router. I have an old House. It was built in 1852 and microwave ovens have a hard time penetrating through some walls.

  Recently, I made some changes in the House and I wired things for Gigabit Ethernet. I have not yet bought a switch. We have a Mac Pro (cheese grater), a Mac Mini, three iPhones (only 6) and two iPads (one version 3 and the other, only the latter bought autumn, an iPad Air.)

  First of all, since most of us are on 802.11 n, can I initially put in place a heterogeneous system with two routers wireless connected to themselves and to the Internet via a switch? Also, I need two switches; one for the internal LAN and the other for a connection to the Internet? I intend to buy the new ac 802.11 AirPort extreme for a facility in one of the rooms to better cover the rest of the House. I think that both devices will be able to take advantage of the signal of 5 GHz, initially, with another iPad and iPhone to come along the next year. I wouldn't or the other base station being "enslaved" to the other but, rather, connected to the wired network internal and devices just switch between them that move around the House.

  Comments are welcome here. This can be a trip to a Genius Bar if I do not hear from final here.

  can I initially put in place a heterogeneous system with two routers wireless connected to themselves and to the Internet via a switch?

  Possibly, depending on the type of modem you have. See below info in this post.

  Also, I need two switches; one for the internal LAN and the other for a connection to the Internet?

  NO.

  I wouldn't or the other base station being "enslaved" to the other but, rather, connected to the wired network internal and devices just switch between them that move around the House.

  Not sure what you mean here. The two extremes of the airport will be connected to the cable network, so they will be in communication with them at all times. If you want to peripheral switch between them that move around the House... then you will need what is called a "mobile network"... so the two airports will produce a wireless signal that uses the same wireless network name. Apple Setup Assistant will put things this way by default.

  Depending on the type of "modem" you have, the network might look like this:

  Internet > Modem > AirPort Extreme 802.11ac > Ethernet switch > AirPort Extreme

  or, if your "modem" is really a modem/router, also known as, a walkway... then you have the ability to set things up like this:

  Internet > Modem/Router > Switch > the two airports to connect to the Ethernet network

  Looking for a Gigabit Ethernet switch to your network. Switches come in 5 ports, 16 channels, 8 ports, etc. versions.  It's always a good idea to buy an Ethernet switch over a few ports that you think that you may need right now... to allow for expansion.

  The key here is that the type of modem you have will determine how to configure the network.  If you could provide the number of brand and model of your "modem", we can eliminate some of the assumptions to be used at this time.

• Airport Extreme cannot connect to 1000base t

  Description:

  Hi all.  My ISP is Cox Communications in the South of Louisiana.  I am currently subscribed to get 200 Mbps download speed.  I have an Arris Surfboard 6190 cable Modem.  Ethernet is connected to an Apple Airport Extreme 802.11ac, who then goes to my iMac (2011) as a high school Apple Airport Extreme 802.11ac (network extension).

  The problem.  Modem guard fall signal forcing me to reset the modem about 3 times / day.  Level 2 of Cox support said I need set the local IPv6.  This modification of the parameter stop the Modem from falling (in the process to test this now).

  2nd problem.  My iMac, nor either routers Apple will connect higher than 100base T.  I can see it in the utility network on the iMac.  The support of Cox who sees so.  However, when I connect the Airport Extreme directly to the Modem, Cox support can see that it is a Gigabit device, but after a few seconds, he is down to 100base T.  If I try to manually connect to 1000Base T on the iMac... it will not connect.

  Is there something that I am missing in my settings on the routers or the iMac?

  It is known of problems between all a single serial port SB modems and routers from the airport...

  There is no solution... or is defective, but they hate just each other.

  The best solution is the replacement of the modem or the router.

  We have been recommending the brand zoom but with Cox even modem that can not solve the problem... so I recommend a different router for now... a cheap... it will work quite low-end... TP-Link WR1043ND v2 or v3 for example... It is aprox $50 on Amazon. You can still use the airport bridge and work with Mac protocols for wireless AP.

  Normally, you could fill the AE to the new router, but you can give it a more active role... See the static IP address.

  https://discussions.Apple.com/message/25135547?ac_cid=tw123456#

• AirPort Extreme A1408 (5th generation) low flow on both WiFi and wired

  Hi all

  I have an extreme A1408 Airport (5th generation), which is connected to the internet via a cable UTP (wall plug, the internet provider has its routers in the basement of the apartment building). My plan is to 1000 / 200 MB (down / up - Romanian RCS & RDS, Fib), however, I'm getting averages of 90 / 80 MB speeds on speedtest.net. The best I've ever had was about 180 / 200 Mbps, but that happened once.

  The low speed produce on both WiFi and wired (I have an iMac, a MBP, a 6s iPhone and an iPad Mini that connect through WiFi, on the 5 GHz network and a Mac Mini that is connected to the router), with my wireless devices to full signal strength and connection to 450 Mbps. Since low speeds correspond to the cable wire / WiFi (I expected to the Mac mini to outdo the other, since its on gigabit ethernet), this is not a discussion on how to choose the best channel (I tried auto or manual installation, with it on different channels) or change its placement (this corresponds with the MBP even right next to the router) to get the best reception.

  I tested the connection directly paste the cable in the MBP (via the adapter ethernet of love at first sight) and got 850 / 200 Mbps, then my provider connection works as expected.

  I also changed all cables UTP CAT 5, in order to support gigabit speeds to.

  My AirPort Extreme is on firmware 7.6.4, set up as follows:

  • PPPoE: always on
  • IPv6: link-local
  • Wireless:
    • WPA2 Personal (faster)
    • No network comments
    • the radio 802 mode value. 11A / n - 802.11b/g/n (self)
    • country of Romania
    • tried auto and manual selection of channels 2.4 Ghz and 5 GHz (by analyzing other autour networks)
  • Router mode: DHCP and NAT (NAT Port Mapping Protocol active)

  All iDevices I use are updated to their latest version of the OS.

  Is there something that I am missing? Any ideas?

  Thanks in advance for your time!

  Most likely the problem you see is that Apple has not designed the more practical to work with fiber Internet airport base stations. Although, the 5th generation 802.11n AirPort Extreme can manage, at best, 400 - 500 Mbps of throughput (in bridged mode) via its WAN - LAN interface, you will see about half of this when it is enabled as a router (as yours is.) In addition, if your ISP has their router activated ahead of yours, you can also receive a "Double NAT" error as well.

• The Airport Extreme WiFi intermittent 2nd generation

  I'm having a weird problem with loss of WiFi on my Apple Airport Extreme.

  My 2nd generation that apple Airport Extreme Base Station began to close its WiFi broad signal several times.  It happens usually after 60 minutes or less works very well.  Power on and the new runs for awhile until it stops again the WiFi.  Green light normally forward either static rest without flickering to indicate data transfer, or it will just dark.  Sometimes it will turn off WiFi and then restart WiFi a few minutes later and appear to be good.  But mostly it just stops and I can, he extinguished/turned on to operate correctly with the WiFi again.

  Airport Extreme is connected by ethernet cable to my modem/router main fiber (which is a different floor home) and it is set to "Bridge" Mode  It worked without any problems and I did no changes to my system.  My ISP did update my modem broadband fiber a few weeks ago to a "Virgin Media Hub 3.0"I understand was made by Compal.»  It seems to work perfectly and I have no problems with speed download or reliability in wireframe.  I was away from home for about a week and was able to access my wireless IP camera remotely via my Airport Extreme with no problems.  The problem started almost immediately on my return, but, as I said, I did no changes to my network.  I have never had this kind of problem before with my Airport Extreme.

  I am running OS X Yosemite on an iMac that is connected by a cable ethernet to the Airport Extreme and seems to work very well even when WiFi is de-energized on the Airport Extreme.  Airport utility reports the airport as current firmware version 7.6.7.

  I used network utility, Fing, and it showed that my Airport Extreme has multiple IP addresses, which seem to conflict with the IP address for my three AppleTV.  I manually changed the IP addresses of the Apple TV to another IP address not conflicting, but Fing always shows that my Airport Extreme has three IP addresses and I still have the problem of WiFi.

  Any other suggestions on a probable cause of this problem or the best way to solve the problem would be much appreciated.

  Thank you!

  The question is the 2nd generation AE is now too old.

  I would say the power supply (external or internal) is dying.

  It service life is approximately 5 years... your must be 8 years old. so the solution is simple... buy a new one... or I'll tell... Newish...