Analysis of the BSOD
Hi all
I've been making BSOD every few days. I analyzed a memory full dump and found specific things that lead me to think that I can be infected by malware. As I am new to the analysis of the BSOD, I'd be happy to get your insight as it seems logical or not and what other steps can I take by completing the analysis. Here's the info from the analysis:
3: kd >! analyze - v
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* Bugcheck analysis *.
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IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL (a)
An attempt was made to access an address pageable (or completely invalid) to a
application interrupt level (IRQL) that is too high. It is usually
caused by drivers using a wrong address.
If a kernel debugger is available, download the stack trace.
Arguments:
Arg1: fffff680000198c0, memory referenced
Arg2: 0000000000000000, IRQL
Arg3: 0000000000000000, bit field:
bit 0: value 0 = read operation, 1 = write operation
bit 3: value 0 = not an enforcement operation, 1 = performance operation (only on chips that support this level of State)
Arg4: fffff80002de9a66, address memory
Debugging information:
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READ_ADDRESS: fffff680000198c0
CURRENT_IRQL: 0
FAULTING_IP:
NT! MiGetWorkingSetInfo + 286
fffff800'02de9a66 488b 0408 mov rax, qword ptr [rax + rcx]
DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT
BUGCHECK_STR: 0XA
Nom_processus: svchost.exe
These two related AVGIDSFilter.sys ID Application activity monitor filter driver. by AVG Technologies
I notice that you have of moy.
AVG can be a cause of BSOD.
Please remove and replace it with Microsoft Security Essentials
http://www.Avg.com/ww-en/utilities'] download tools and utilities | AVG worldwide
http://www.Microsoft.com/security_essentials/ "] Microsoft Security Essentials - free Antivirus for Windows"
Error checking 24, {c08a5, 0, 0, 0}
Probably caused by: avgidsfiltera.sys (avgidsfiltera + 1 b 88)
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Product # NY604AA-ABA; [Personal information]
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Dump file
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0x0000009FParameter 1
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6.1.7601.17592 (win7sp1_gdr.110408 - 1631)Processor
x 64Full path
C:\Windows\minidump\050711-19000-01.dmp==============================================
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"hibernation:" Stop 0x0000009F "
He said: "to resolve this problem immediately, contact Microsoft Customer Support Services to obtain the fix. For a complete list of the Support Services client Microsoft
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