new installation or upgrade

Hi, is a clean install of win. XP to vista better than the upgrade?
Do you recommend upgrading?


There are many variables that depends on this decision.

Normally, a clean install is preferable because it starts without all the baggage to the old operating system. You can reinstall all your favorite and cool software initially.

Some users may have questions such as no longer the installation discs for their software and a clean installation means that they may need to buy new media. They don't want to just not bother with the resettlement of all of their programs and go through the process of implementation of the new system.

My experience has been that if you do an upgrade or a clean install, you always end up with a system that works very well.

The bottom line is that it's your call.

Ronnie Vernon MVP

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