Open the characteristics of Michael Ferrante on forms 12 c :) and some c omplaints

I had seen that he's open to talk about new features, but I think that most of the oracle forms is not very well defined, and maybe someone want some comment on that.

Hello Michale Ferrante I have some questions for you.

I am a certified oracle developer forms and oracle database and our company has worked with oracle, more than ten years ago.

(1) the design and the niche in the market that Oracle Forms and the need for advanced graphic features

I remember a beta version of forms, I think that it was 3.2, it has all the features to move and draw on the screen, and for some oracle of reason which rejected, and I think it was OK under the strategy of a client database, this isn't a software to make the games.

But as time passes, the customer needs more features visual, I must acknowledge the work of François Degrelle in forms look and feel project .

Most of the software in large companies are now client server, and they have too many mobile client software and others that requires the features of high graphics, from one screen to buy items, to a customer of entertainment to marketing.

In the example: you have a restaurant, they want in an ipad, a menu, and you want to do in the form of oracle, here is where oracle has a big hole.

This includes of course more functions for working with media types, such as audio in the database, video in the database, audio and video from other sources, like youtube, etc.

(2) the positioning of oracle forms againt other products oracle, oracle should give a clear positioning of all products related to oracle forms and how they incorporate.

Oracle has proposed new products, such as adf, apex, etc. and is not only my perception, much thought customer oracle forms would be replaced, but they can't because the idea of oracle is an easy tool for development and in theory with more features (it's the reason why you should have to pay more than 20,000 per customer)

But personally, I see that I do not see BETTER in the product.

Customers need a clear vision of how the oracle introduces their different tools in example, specifically oracle must decide where is oracle in this net of product development, client of Mr. If you want to develop, forms oracle is why adf this apex for that, for this java, etc. instead of presenting a confusing set of products ,

Oracle gives messages are confusing, that is the reason why many customers thought oracle forms would be abandoned and they MUST migrate to adf, this message that I saw too much while reading about adf.

If coupled with additional confusion with previous development of sun products, Oracle must order their ideas and show a structure of the tools in the suite, which is full, which makes sense, instead of "we have all the tools of development of this, study and choose one, and good luck."

(3) improvement of the editor

no more comments, just update the form with all editor the Editor doesn't like any other software.

(4) new and interesting ideas, a real change of attitude of the oracle and oracle reports developer

I think the additional graphics functionality, clarity in the relationship of forms with other products, and improvements in the editor are obvious.

then comes something new and interesting forms oracle could present, no necessary to what the current client does, if not for the new procedures, for example a great app for ipads, a generator of models of various boxes,.

I said something big, because until now, I had seen oracle is a tool of gray, all other tools, delphi, visual studio, adf, etc. has several very interesting improvements, but forms oracle moves like a turtle in this way, as living separated from the jurisdiction of the market development tools.

It's like a wake-up CALL

(5) to separate the teams of developing forms and oracle reports.

The reason is to offer a less expensive product, and because for reports, there are cheapersolutions, plain html pages to free software as reports of jasper.

It is is important to separate development of oracle reports and forms of the oracle team, he moves to make it really better justify the investment and the reports to be considered as an independent product compatible with other oracle products.

In example, perhaps you could add as a solution at the apex, not only to print pdf reports.

(6) the graphical component lost and optional free projects open (requiring the license of oracle forms-based of course)

graph of Oracle Server customer oracle 6i, has several problems, but in a moment lost, idon't see nowadays too dificult to make a graphic really nice editor, oracle forms could make a free graphics project.

Oracle Forms should motivate in an organized system, the developer of forms oracle to use and improve open components, it is 1) good items you need and should install 2) the elements of ther o based on ideas, you may find it useful in some way at the same time they develop to become an interesting compoennt and move to the Group 1).

(7) the albums of other development oracle technologies Integrator

Oracle Forms, especially for the price, I think that should be the High option and integrate all the other tools of development, it is, you can use free apex or essential to the adf, but if you want more, then purchase a license of the adf, if you want more then buy forms oracle, something like that.

Think of this form of Oracle idea should be somehow integrated with jheadstart.

Once you do this, then the oracle development tools will make sense, instead the attitude oracle currently has to "choose all these development tools, we have and good luck."

In this idea, and then force to buy oracle reports might be a good idea, because it comes to the top of every thing, the best more than adf and apex, java, etc.

(8) specialists in the oracle database

These are the oracle forms is something important, a client for oracle, so it should support all the features of oracle databas, e this includes the posibility

software sincronize with versions of oracle database,

return of flame, etc. should be part of counter, create environments to test and restore the backups.

It's don't forget Oracle their first venture is the database and their tools should complement technologies in the database.

(9) the new age of basic developed compoements

Anyone who wants to start a business must program all the fundamentals, it's exhange management, user management, etc..

I've suggested previously to oracle is to create a software base (database, developer and reports), free, so you can take them and start over, this should include basci funcions to manage basic safety features such as creating a user, the user of the monitor, etc basic functionality for enterprise software, etc., clob, number, date.

It is doing something no one had done.

hope to be useful

Thank you very much for your comments and dedication to the product. We appreciate all the ideas and comments.

I wanted to comment on some things you said.

"... the need for... advanced graphic features. »

Years, Oracle Forms had a sister product called Oracle Graphics. It was a product that gave you the ability to create almost any kind of graphics or graphics that your creative mind could imagine. However, in my opinion, it was very difficult and tedious to use. For various reasons, Oracle has decided to stop manufacturing and chart support a long time ago. I suspect part of the reason for the abandonment of the product was that with today's web deployed forms, add your own graphics features are easy enough using Java Beans or even product Oracle BI-haricots.

"... "This includes of course more functions to work with media types... »

We are planning to add that support in future versions of some media. Exactly what version or what types of media is yet to be determined. Development is currently studying the best approach for implementing such features. But as for tracing, add your own support via a Java Bean is simple enough and for people who are not very well informed in Java, there are many free examples available on the Internet. This example should provide an excellent starting point.

"... Client of Mr. If you want to develop, oracle forms is present, adf to do this, apex to do this, for that, etc. instead of presenting a confusing the value of products, java... »

If you read a part, documentation each product (General presentation documents), you will see that, at a high level already do. Explain us what the product, how it works, some of his strengths, etc. However, it would be impossible for any vendor to tell you exactly which tool you use for your specific job. We/they can offer an opinion, but exactly what you're using, it's a decision that you must make based on several factors. For example, you talked about a restaurant. You can build an application that is used to take orders in the forms or ADF. Either will do the job. In most cases, which will make you choose one over the other is the skill value available to accomplish the task. If your organization does not have a single Java developer, but it has several pl/sql developers, then choosing ADF maybe not the best choice. In this case, the forms can be the best choice. Alternatively, you can recycle your existing developers, you can hire new employees who know Java or ADF or hire a third party to help you develop the application in the ADF. Again, only you can answer these questions.

It's no different than any other product. Consider Microsoft Visual Studio. I can use almost any technology throughout (VB, C++, c#, etc.) to build an application that performs the same tasks. But if I don't know C++ (for example), why should I choose to use C++ if the application will accomplish the same task in the end? I'd rather the product know my team. An exception could be if some other technologies offers a feature not found in the other. For example, with the ADF, you can easily access on mobile devices. But even this can be overcome with Forms. For example with the use of Oracle Partner, AuraPlayerof the product, you can use your existing form request to expose web services to mobile applications without having to change your code to forms.

In short, we intend to add many new features for future versions of the forms. Exactly what they will be always plans even though many have already been implemented for the next version. For some people, the changes we present can be considered to be a much-needed change, and for others, they may feel that the amendments add little value. It is always difficult to make everyone happy. I hope that soon (I don't know exactly at what time yet) you will be able to meet up with me at various conferences around the world (Open World, WORLD, DOAG, etc) where I will introduce our new items for the new version of forms. If all goes well, most of you will appreciate the hard work that Oracle Forms developers have put in updates for the next future releases. We have a very dedicated team of developers who work on a regular basis to ensure that you can easily upgrade with confidence.

Thanks again for your comments!

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