PID command example
Hello
I found an example of a controller On off on Labview which I enclose. I wanted to see how it would work the same VI replace thermostat a PID block and using the simplified model of a room in the form of the transfer function (R / (RCS + 1)) but I don't know the right way to proceed. the Integrator is to stay? I need to change the VI? I hope that your kind suggestion
Thank you
Alessandro
Well, if you want just a transfer function and the PID autotuning, why not use this example of the expedition?
C:\Program Files (x 86) \National Instruments\LabVIEW 2013\examples\control\PID\Autotuning PID Online.vi
To change the settings of "Plant", go in the block diagram and double-click the cluster at the bottom of the VI and brand: static gain = 0.5 and lag time = 5?
These values are implementing transfer function 1 /(10s+2) 0.5 /(5s+1).
Control and Simulation is preferable to use, but for the simple simulation, maybe you can use this template. Also note that this function "pid" has also the 'code of autotuning' with different types would this work for you?
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