WAG160n DHCP issues

Hi guys,.

I have the WAG 160N running firmware 1,0015 and im experiancing dhcp drop-outs every day.

I lose the connection on the PC 2 at home and the connection Wireless to laptop and releasing the DHCP server and it instantly renew rectifies this. The internet connection is always on

I do this so many times and I tried hold reset for 30 seconds and turn off the router for 30 seconds, but the problem is still there, I downgraded firmware once again, the problem is there. This does not happen with a netgear DG834n

Any help would be gratefull

Well, I'm not sure what happened, but I spent Windows 7 RC to a new installation of Windows 7 RTM and for the past 2 weeks I had a stable connection, the other PC is still using the same installation of Vista so I can only conclude that there was a problem with Windows 7 RC originally a DHCP problem.

I will mark this issue as resolved, but if what I will meet future problems, I will present

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    • While I understand that DHCP snooping will be ineffective if it is not lit on the kernel, there is no reason I can't deploy it first to the access layer without touching the basic configurations to avoid large amounts of documents of change control, right? Then, when the kernel is put at level and DHCP snooping successfully activated that will work.
    • I got that on the layer to access the switches uplink to the core are approved, but I'm not 100% on the question of whether the same interfaces are approved on the carrots. I don't think but want to be sure. Carrots of course trust the real interface on that server DHCP is plugged
    • The most confusing part is all the stuff from the Option-82. As near as I can tell its option for the server to use the information from the Option-82. I think that if all I do is enable DHCP snooping on worldwide and on the right VIRTUAL LANs the DHCP relay between the core and the DHCP server will continue to work as it is today, is that correct?

    Is there really this traps or in my case I really just need to turn it on in the world and by vlan, trust the uplinks on the access switches and the DHCP server on the kernel interface and call it a day?

    Thank you

    Nathan Spitzer

    SR Network Communications analyst.

    Lockheed Martin

    Hello Nathan,.

    Given that the access switches are only switching, they only need DHCP snooping turned on (both globally and on the VLANS) and their uplinks to the core set as trusted, right?

    Fix.

    In particular they dont need IP helper statements or layer-3 interfaces for all of their VLANS, right?

    Fix. The statement of support ip address would only be necessary if switches performed routing inter - VLAN and the DHCP server is located in a VLAN different.

    While I understand that DHCP snooping will only be marginally effective if it is not turned on on the core, there is no reason I cannot deploy it first at the access layer without touching the core configurations to avoid large amounts of change-control paperwork, right? Then when the core is upgraded and DHCP snooping properly enabled it will work. 

    To my knowledge, the opposite is true. DHCP Snooping is a service of access protection layer - is it not in the core of the network. It has nothing to protect in the kernel once DHCP messages have beein properly disinfected at the edge of the network. For some inexplicable reason, many people think that the DHCP Snooping should be enabled on the network. The fact is that the DHCP Snooping protects against

    • DHCP messages are sent to ineligible devices
    • Ineligible devices posing as DHCP servers

    From this it naturally follows that it is the limit of the network, or the layer of access, where such protection is the most effective. So in your case, I believe that the activation of the DHCP Snooping only on the access layer is actually what you want to do.

    I got that on the access layer switches the uplinks to the core are trusted, but I am not 100% on whether the same interfaces are trusted on the cores. I dont think so but want to be sure. Of cource the cores do trust the actual interface the DHCP server is plugged in on

    If you enable the DHCP Snooping on the basic features and uplink between the access switches and core would have to be configured as confidence both on the basic switches and access. Otherwise, the base ports would pass DHCP messages received from customers because the access layer switches running DHCP Snooping insert DHCP Option 82 in the DHCP messages sanitized and ports untrustred delete all DHCP messages including 82 of the present Option.

    2960 Configuration Guide to

    http://www.Cisco.com/en/us/docs/switches/LAN/catalyst2960/software/release/12.2_55_se/configuration/guide/swdhcp82.html#wp1078853

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    • Comes from a packet to a DHCP server, for example a DHCPOFFER, DHCPACK, DHCPNAK or DHCPLEASEQUERY package, outside the network or firewall.

    • A packet is received on an interface that is not reliable, and do not match the source MAC address and hardware address of the DHCP client.

  • The switch receives a message DHCPRELEASE or DHCPDECLINE with a MAC address in the DHCP snooping database binding, but the information in the database of linking interface does not correspond to the interface on which the message was received.

  • A DHCP relay agent sends a DHCP packet that includes a relay agent IP address which is not 0.0.0.0 or relay agent transmits a packet that includes information of option-82 to an untrusted port.

  • As I have indicated, however, I personally discourage running DHCP Snooping on the basic devices - I see no reason for this. Please correct if I am wrong!

    The most confusing part is all the Option-82 stuff. As near as I can tell its optional for the server to use the Option-82 information. I believe that if all I do is turn DHCP snooping on globally and on the right VLANS the DHCP relaying between the core and the DHCP server will continue working just like it is today, is that correct?

    LOL, my favorite on the DHCP Snooping things is the Option 82 interesting how much this topic brings confusion...

    The Option 82 was created to provide DHCP relay agent the ability to identify itself and the customer who sent the original message from DHCP unmodified. The DHCP server can then use this information to perform certain policies of customer trust. The format of the Option 82 is not strictly specified, only its basic structure is fixed. You can read more on this and the whole reason to be in the RFC 3046. One of the key points to remember here, however, is that the DHCP server may or may not recognize the Option 82, but apart from that, to copy the value of the Option 82A received in the message to a DHCP client for all its replies sent to this client.

    DHCP Snooping uses the Option 82 differently. He didn't expect and doesn't require that the DHCP Server includes the Option of 82 or manages a special way. The Option 82 is inserted by switches access performing DHCP Snooping and it contains two important parts:

    • The Circuit ID that identifies the port to which the client is connected (VLAN and the location of the physical port in a switch)
    • The remote ID that identifies the access switch to which the client is connected (by the MAC address of the switch)

    See http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst2960/software/release/12.2_55_se/configuration/guide/swdhcp82.html#wp1105589

    Now, when an access switch performing DHCP Snooping receives a message from DHCP client on an untrusted port, this will happen:

    • The switch will insert the 82 Option in the message of the DHCP client. The Option 82 will identify the specific switch and the port to which the client is attached
    • The switch will forward the DHCP message according to its MAC address of destination (i.e. in a completely normal way)
    • The server receives the DHCP message containing the Option 82. It is not relevant for DHCP Snooping if the server takes into account the value of the Option 82. However, when the server replies, it will insert the original value of the Option of 82 to the answer.
    • Access switch will finally receive the DHCP response. Looking at the Option 82, he knows exactly in which port is the message transmitted to the customer - and only the customer - even if the answer was broadcast!

    Note that the Option 82 contributes enormously to identify exactly the access switch and its port where the client is attached. If other switches with DHCP Snooping has received this DHCP message (in reason of the flood or address broadcast requested by the client), they would pass this message because they understand once glancing at the 82 Option that the customer is attached elsewhere. The 82 Option allowing to ensure DHCP communication between a particular client and the DHCP server doesn't leak not to other customers.

    There is a hunt for witches, associated with the Option 82. A switch run DHCP Snooping inserts the Option 82 messages DHCP clients. However, each DHCP message contains a field named GIADDR where the IP address of the relay agent is registered, where the DHCP message was relayed. Clearly, when a DHCP message goes through a switch DHCP Snooping, it is not relayed (drawn from one VLAN and rerouted to another), so an access switch does not change the GIADDR that remains set to 0.0.0.0. However, at least the implementation of server DHCP Cisco IOS performs a validation on a test received DHCP messages and it drops DHCP messages containing the Option 82, but which the GIADDR field is set to 0.0.0.0 (i.e. unitialized). This can be seen in the output of the debug ip dhcp server packet :

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    *Sep 9 01:59:40: DHCPD: inconsistent relay information.
    *Sep 9 01:59:40: DHCPD: relay information option exists, but giaddr is zero

    Under normal circumstances, such a mental health check makes sense - how is it that a DHCP message contains the Option 82 (i.e. the Relay Agent Information Option DHCP) when there is no DHCP relay identified in the GIADDR? However, with DHCP Snooping on the access layer switches, DHCP messages are normal and expected. Therefore, it is essential to disable this check of mental health on the Cisco box that is running the DHCP server configuration using global ip dhcp relay confidence all information or only is selected routed (i.e. L3) interfaces with command level interface ip dhcp relay reliable information.

    To summarize:

    • The 82 Option is A Good Thing (TM) because it allows to deliver DHCP messages only to the client for which they are intended. Any suggestions to disable the insertion of the Option 82 on access DHCP Snooping Switches are useless 82 Option is inserted by DHCP Snooping Switches in DHCP messages by default - no additional configuration is necessary.
    • Through the easiest way - when you deploy DHCP Snooping, does not initially change anything about the Option 82. Make sure that your customers can receive their config IP via DHCP. If yes then there is nothing to resolve. If not, go further.
    • If you run a DHCP server on a Device IOS base (router, switch), you may need to use the command ip dhcp relay information confidence-everything (global config) or ip dhcp relay reliable information (level interface) to allow the DHCP messages with the Add Option 82 and unitialized field GIADDR to be accepted. These commands are required only on the device where the DHCP server is running, not on the access layer switches. You may want to first perform debugging as I suggested previously, and only if you see that packets are dropped, add these commands to the configuration.
    • I don't know if these commands should be added also to a DHCP relay function efficient switch - I can check that tomorrow in a laboratory.
    • If you are using another DHCP server you have to try experimentally whether happy with the DHCP messages with 82 Option present and unitialized GIADDR field

    Sorry for the long answer... I hope that I do not bore you to death. We invite you to ask for more! I'll try to be more concise next time

    Best regards

    Peter

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