Can I mix up to 32 bits at a higher than 44.1 kHz sampling frequency?

When I'm using Ableton Live, it allows me to choose 16, 24 or 32-bit, and then I can choose a up to 192000 sample rate. Is this possible in the hearing? I've been through all the preferences and all tabs and I can't find this option. Everything I find is a convert, or the option adjust. But this isn't what I want. I want to mix down this way.

The closest thing is when I go to "Export Audio Mix Down", I found, I can select 32-bit. Then, there is a box for the sampling rate, with all the different values. But it doesn't allow me to change of 44100.

sleepwalk1000 wrote:

Thanks for the responses guys. Hmm, well the reason why I ask this question is because I am preparing a cd to be sent to a mastering studio. The engineer told me to mix down to 24 bits instead of 16 bit. I asked him why, because everything happens to 16 bit cd anyway. He said even if my session has 16 bit files, if I have them running through the beaches with effects bus vst as Altiverb (which I do), it will improve the sound effects in mixdown, if treated according to a higher bitrate. Would poll better mix so he could work in the mastering session. I assumed that this meant that a higher sampling frequency would also be beneficial. Maybe not? I use a lot of high-quality vst effects, so I want to make sure I get the best possible results. I mean if you have this option and space disk hard isn't a problem, why wouldn't you use it?

It is interesting that the export Audio Mix Down allows me to mix a session from 16-bit to 32-bit files, but if doesn't let me change the sampling frequency. Maybe I'm not understanding these terms exactly. I always thought that, for two, more the number, the higher sound quality.

SteveG - tell you it would be a waste of more than 32 bit 44.1 kHz mixing? What about k of 48 or 96 k? There is not a noticeable difference?

The sample rate only affects the highest frequency that can be solved - it has no impact on the quality of all, once the rate is high enough to fix all that humans can hear. You determine the highest frequency that can be resolved in any case of the sample given by half to get the "Nyquist" frequency - so 44.1 k the highest frequency that can be fully resolved is 22.05 kHz. The human ear extends up to 20 kHz, but it's only in young children - by the time you reach your teenage years he began to fall, especially if you listen to a lot of loud music... then 44.1 k is already greater than any human condition to the response at high frequency. This overall been proved? You bet it has!

To discover the truth about the hype about the sound quality in general and more bits/sample rate are concerned, you should first read this thread of AudioMasters - and the links it contains. It's of high quality academic research, and all attempts to discredit have been completely ransacked.

Your mastering engineer is correct up to a point, but not really for the right reasons - mixtures of 32 bits are usually more specific, simply because the sums do more accurately and scale of signal is significantly improved. You must keep in mind that the only place where you will hear no appreciable difference with one more high bit depth would be in really quiet parts of reverb tails. The best way to do a mix in Audition is to do all this in 32-bit (which is floating point version of 24-bit anyway) and if he really wants a 24 bit file, you can convert the 32-bit mix after that you have to create a copy of 24-bit integer. As much as the 16-bit CD is concerned, if you (or engineer) procrastinate it properly when you do the master of the 16 bits of the final mix of 32-bit CD, then the effective resolution is higher than 16 - bit anyway - there is also a thread of AudioMasters explaining all this too (it's complicated).

What all the above implies, is that if you keep your mix 32 bit 44.1 k files as they are, if you remaster at a higher sample rate, all you have to do is up-conversion files in hearing. You don't win a single thing in doing that, but then again, you won't lose anything either - and person don't will be able to make a difference! This is not a case of "why don't use you it?" - this is really a case of ' why would you? "

Either way, it should be noted that due to some misinformation presented by people who should really have known better long, understanding of most of the people of sampling is completely and totally false. Once more, a search around AudioMasters will give you a better understanding of the present. If I get a chance later, I'll look on all appropriate threads.

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