Confusion of color profile

I really hope that someone can dumb it down for me.  First of all, my workflow for the serious blows.  I run the RAW file in Lightroom to manage shadows, lights, darks and colors.  When you are finished, I export as 16-bit ProPhoto RGB TIF.

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I then open the TIF with Photoshop where I think (but I am not sure) that the ProPhoto color space is preserved.  When I'm completely done with any manipulation of the image, I "save under" a JPG file with maximum quality for distribution.  The JPG is never changed.  Still, I thought (but I am not sure) that the JPG would look exactly like the TIF.  Now that I'm more critical of my work, I notice a difference between the image TIF and JPG image (on the same screen).  For example, check the picture below.  The flag background is much darker on the JPG is on the TIF.

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I tried investigating to clarify my own misconceptions about the proper procedures, but things only got worse.  Among other things, I found three ways, color settings, assign profile and convert to profile, (apparently) to change the color space in Photoshop.  The following selections are all under the Edit menu.

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Someone can give information me?

While I'm on the subject. The default value of Lightroom in ProPhoto is IMO a monumentally bad idea and I don't know what they thought. Yes, ProPhoto has some advantages for experienced users who know how to manage it - but is not for inexperienced users.

People who need ProPhoto will know where to find anyway.

I suggest that you change the preference of "change to" Lightroom to something safer, until you know more. And nothing is more secure than sRGB.

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    When you look at on the Internet on the management of color, color profiles, I often get a lot of text and generally intended to the "experts."

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    Anyone could pleasssee... to help and give me some advice on how to implement?

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    again, I am not an expert and I do not wish to become a :-)

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    Mylenium says:

    Simple answer: none of this is important if your system is not actually calibrated. You can set the default factory profiles all day and wear yourself out, and they will always be wrong.

    Bit of a negative attitude, wouldn't you say?

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    mjyeager wrote:

    Emil, please do not confuse what follows for stubbornness...

    No worries, I never had such thoughts

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    ... However, if the JPG has no color profile, image shows exactly the same way in both browsers...

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    mjyeager wrote:

    ... Now, let's say this image - which looks the same in both browsers - is too hot. I can load it in Photoshop, change its hue and re-save is more what I'm looking for. The resulting image will then out - in the two browsers identically - the way I want to...

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    ... Now, what I think you are trying to do, is that I have no control on what are the conditions of viewing on the OTHER end (i.e., visitors to the site). They could range wide monitors, cheaper monitors, running MAC or PC, etc...

    I don't remember talking about this earlier, but yes, it's true.

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    ... It's true. I have no control over that. However, how including the color profile sRGB with the JPG would give me more control over these things I would not include? Unless you had to tell me that browsers arbitrarily apply a random color profile when in the absence of one, I am simply not understand how including the color with the JPG profile performs one another act that ensure that the picture is completely different in FF it does in Internet Explorer.

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