Not able to deploy a BSE of jdev

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  Hi all
  
  I created a very simple BPEL process and defined a business composite rule, I call my BPEL processes.
  However, I am not able to deploy the project completely successfully.
  
  I use JDEV 11 g to build/deploy my projects on a SOA_Suite_11g. Notice that I can deploy a project with success if she has no business rule.
  
  That's what I see in the tab "Journal of deployment:
  
  [13: 49:17] deployment of profile...
  [13: 49:17] wrote the SAR file to /Users/satinder/jdeveloper/mywork/ChapterTwo/FLThree/deploy/sca_FLThree_rev1.0.jar
  [13: 49:17] deployment of sca_FLThree_rev1.0.jar to soa_server1 [redunca.pvo.groundhog.com.au:8001]
  [13: 49:17] sar=/Users/satinder/jdeveloper/mywork/ChapterTwo/FLThree/deploy/sca_FLThree_rev1.0.jar treatment
  [13: 49:17] adding file sar - /Users/satinder/jdeveloper/mywork/ChapterTwo/FLThree/deploy/sca_FLThree_rev1.0.jar
  [13: 49:17] preparing to send the HTTP request for the deployment
  [13: 49:17] Creation of HTTP connect to host:redunca.pvo.groundhog.com.au, port: 8001
  [13: 49:17] sending internal deployment descriptor
  [13: 49:17] send (archive) - sca_FLThree_rev1.0.jar
  [13: 49:19] Server, the response code = 500 HTTP response was received
  [13: 49:19] error in deployment of archives sca_FLThree_rev1.0.jar to soa_server1 [redunca.pvo.groundhog.com.au:8001]
  [13: 49:19] HTTP error Code returned [500]
  [13: 49:19] Error Message from the server:
  The composite deployment error: oracle.fabric.common.FabricDeploymentException: oracle.fabric.common.FabricException: error occurred during deployment of the component: FLI to service engine: implementation.bpel, for composites: FLThree: ORABPEL-01010
  
  Build process failed.
  failed to generate the BPEL process file '
  Could not create file named BPEL process. The reported exception was '/apps/oracle/ofm_11g/user_projects/domains/soa_dev_domain/deployed-composites/FLThree_rev1.0/sca_FLThree_rev1.0/198abebc-19d9-4df6-a712-2122b0b9730a/SCA-INF/FLI.lock (too many open files).
  Make sure that the file "" is a valid file to be generated.
  : Error occurred during deployment of the component: FLI to service engine: implementation.bpel, for composites: FLThree: ORABPEL-01010
  
  Build process failed.
  failed to generate the BPEL process file '
  Could not create file named BPEL process. The reported exception was '/apps/oracle/ofm_11g/user_projects/domains/soa_dev_domain/deployed-composites/FLThree_rev1.0/sca_FLThree_rev1.0/198abebc-19d9-4df6-a712-2122b0b9730a/SCA-INF/FLI.lock (too many open files).
  Make sure that the file "" is a valid file to be generated.
  .
  [13: 49:19] check the log of the server for more details.
  [13: 49:19] # incomplete deployment. ####
  [13: 49:19] error deployment archive file:/Users/satinder/jdeveloper/mywork/ChapterTwo/FLThree/deploy/sca_FLThree_rev1.0.jar
  (oracle.tip.tools.ide.fabric.deploy.common.SOARemoteDeployer)
  
  
  Any ideas...
  Thank you

  Only, we have solved the problem!

  In the script start for WLS, the open files limit that was set in the operating system for the oracle user has been replaced with a value of 1024!
  Commenting on this line in the script (so that the operating system settings should work), resultet a mistake at the start of the WLS.

  Now, we put the 'ulimit' to '65536' in the script '... / wlserver_10.3/common/bin/commEnv.sh ' (search for "ulimit") and everything works fine!

• not able to deploy from public catalogue,

  Hi people,

  We use vCloud Director 5.5 in a vSphere 5.5 environment.

  After the upgrade of the full stack of 5.1 to 5.5, we noticed that we are not able to deploy a paralytic from any public catalog.

  After selecting the vApp and clicking next to get to the next screen, the trial «killed» and vcloud Director made a kind of reconnection.

  vApps Katalog organizational can be deployed.

  Any ideas?

  concerning

  Jean

  Jean,

  Please see my comments in this thread: https://communities.vmware.com/thread/464068

  You will need to modify the shared catalogue so don't use 'share all other organizations' and share to each of them individually.  It is a known problem in vCloud 5.5.0, and we are working on that.

  Best regards

  Jon Hemming

• Not able to deploy soa composite of Jdeveloper

  Hello
  
  I use version version 11.1.1.3 Jdeveloper. I installed Jdevloper and Weblogic server in the same system. Whenever I try to deploy the project in Jdeveloper, I get the following error:
  
  [18: 40:10] problem in sending HTTP request on the server. Check the standard HTTP response code for 504
  [18: 40:10] error in deployment of archives sca_BusinessRulesProj_rev1.0.jar to partition 'default' server soa_server1 [PC161590.cts.com:8001]
  [18: 40:10] HTTP error Code returned [504]
  [18: 40:10] no error message is returned by the server.
  [18: 40:10] error in deployment of archives sca_BusinessRulesProj_rev1.0.jar to partition 'default' server soa_server1 [PC161590.cts.com:8001]
  [18: 40:11] # incomplete deployment. ####
  [18: 40:11] error deployment archive file:/C:/JDeveloper/mywork/BusinessRules/BusinessRulesProj/deploy/sca_BusinessRulesProj_rev1.0.jar
  (oracle.tip.tools.ide.fabric.deploy.common.SOARemoteDeployer)
  
  Can someone help me pls in this issue? I put the AddressLabel as the IP address of the machine in the console WLS for Admin Server and SOA managed server, I also checked the Proxy in Jdeveloper settings checked. but again, I'm not able to deploy the project. Any help appreciated.
  
  Thank you
  Arun.

  have you managed to compile composite successfully? If it is successful, while deploying them in JDeveloper; Make sure that you have checked the box 'replace '. There are possibilities that the 1.0 version is already deployed and you try to deploy again with the same version without checking the replacement option. In addition, you can try is, deploy the SAR file from the EM console.

  Hope this helps
  N

• Is not able to deploy to Weblogic Server @ remote machine

  Hello
  
  I'm not able to deploy any application using jdeveloper 11.1.1.4.0 to the weblogic 10.3.4 server located on a remote machine.
  When connecting to the server application through jdeveloper, out of 8 tests show that as success 2...
  
  While I am able to deploy the same application on Weblogic server through jdeveloper located on this machine.

  Through jdeveloper, application (authentication and configuration) server connection must be successful to deploy an application in a local machine or remote computer. Check remote configuration for the application server connection and test it.

  1 WLS server administrator must be running
  2 weblogic domain should be if you have a domain in WLS in the configuration.

• Model ORABPEL - 05215 URI is not "file." -Not able to deploy BPEL processes

  While deploying a BPEL process, we get the following error. Not able to understand what goes wrong. Any help on this will be appreciated.
  
  [deployProcess] Deployment of process C:\Temp\10232008\CRMIntegSEBLODLeadConvertAsync\output\bpel_CRMIntegSEBLODLeadConvertAsync_1.0.jar
  
  BUILD FAILED
  C:\Temp\10232008\CRMIntegSEBLODLeadConvertAsync\build.XML:79: There was a problem connecting to the server "abcd.oracle.com" using the "11545" port: bpel_CRMIntegSEBLODLeadConvertAsync_1.0.jar failed to deploy. Exception message is: ORABPEL-05215
  Error loading process.
  The field of process encountered the following errors when loading the "CRMIntegSEBLODLeadConvertAsync" (version '1.0') process: URI scheme is not 'file'.
  If you installed a hotfix on the server, verify that the ownership of the bpelcClasspath domain includes patch classes.
  at com.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment.CubeProcessHolder.bind(CubeProcessHolder.java:286)
  at com.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment.DeploymentManager.deployProcess(DeploymentManager.java:925)
  at com.collaxa.cube.engine.deployment.DeploymentManager.deploySuitcase(DeploymentManager.java:791)
  at com.collaxa.cube.ejb.impl.BPELDomainManagerBean.deploySuitcase(BPELDomainManagerBean.java:448)
  at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0 (Native Method)
  at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
  
  at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
  at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.joinpoint.EJBJoinPointImpl.invoke(EJBJoinPointImpl.java:35)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.InvocationContextImpl.proceed(InvocationContextImpl.java:119)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.system.DMSInterceptor.invoke(DMSInterceptor.java:52)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.InvocationContextImpl.proceed(InvocationContextImpl.java:119)
  to com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.system.JAASInterceptor$ 1.run(JAASInterceptor.java:31)
  at com.evermind.server.ThreadState.runAs(ThreadState.java:646)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.system.JAASInterceptor.invoke(JAASInterceptor.java:34)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.InvocationContextImpl.proceed(InvocationContextImpl.java:119)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.system.TxRequiredInterceptor.invoke(TxRequiredInterceptor.java:50)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.InvocationContextImpl.proceed(InvocationContextImpl.java:119)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.system.DMSInterceptor.invoke(DMSInterceptor.java:52)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.interceptor.InvocationContextImpl.proceed(InvocationContextImpl.java:119)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.InvocationContextPool.invoke(InvocationContextPool.java:55)
  at com.evermind.server.ejb.StatelessSessionEJBObject.OC4J_invokeMethod(StatelessSessionEJBObject.java:87)
  at DomainManagerBean_RemoteProxy_4bin6i8.deploySuitcase (unknown Source)
  at com.oracle.bpel.client.BPELDomainHandle.deploySuitcase(BPELDomainHandle.java:319)
  at com.oracle.bpel.client.BPELDomainHandle.deployProcess(BPELDomainHandle.java:341)
  at deployHttpClientProcess. jspService(_deployHttpClientProcess.java:376)
  at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(OrionHttpJspPage.java:59)
  at oracle.jsp.runtimev2.JspPageTable.service(JspPageTable.java:462)
  at oracle.jsp.runtimev2.JspServlet.internalService(JspServlet.java:594)
  at oracle.jsp.runtimev2.JspServlet.service(JspServlet.java:518)
  at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:856)
  at com.evermind.server.http.ResourceFilterChain.doFilter(ResourceFilterChain.java:65)
  to oracle.security.jazn.oc4j.JAZNFilter$ 1.run(JAZNFilter.java:396)
  at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged (Native Method)
  at javax.security.auth.Subject.doAsPrivileged(Subject.java:517)
  at oracle.security.jazn.oc4j.JAZNFilter.doFilter(JAZNFilter.java:410)
  at com.evermind.server.http.ServletRequestDispatcher.invoke(ServletRequestDispatcher.java:623)
  at com.evermind.server.http.ServletRequestDispatcher.forwardInternal(ServletRequestDispatcher.java:370)
  at com.evermind.server.http.HttpRequestHandler.doProcessRequest(HttpRequestHandler.java:871)
  at com.evermind.server.http.HttpRequestHandler.processRequest(HttpRequestHandler.java:453)
  at com.evermind.server.http.AJPRequestHandler.run(AJPRequestHandler.java:302)
  at com.evermind.server.http.AJPRequestHandler.run(AJPRequestHandler.java:190)
  to oracle.oc4j.network.ServerSocketReadHandler$ SafeRunnable.run (ServerSocketReadHandler.java:260)
  to com.evermind.util.ReleasableResourcePooledExecutor$ MyWorker.run (ReleasableResourcePooledExecutor.java:303)
  at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

  Hello

  no need for means:
  the xsd/wsdl contains imports another xsd/wsdl which you can delete without getting an error
  (import contains only the elements and complex types that are never used by ref = or type =)

• Not able to deploy images on different subnets

  Hi guys,.

  I'm having a problem of image deployment of T5565 for thin clients on a different subnet.

  The first message that I got, was "the subnet of the device (s) in red color is not the same thing with its device management gateway. You want to send the task anyway".

  I selected Yes, and finally the deployment will timeout with the following error: "job failed. Task become invalid before being sent".

  I am able to update the agents on these thin clients with success, however, and these devices are discoverable.

  Any help will be much appreciated.

  Kind regards

  Remo

  This has been sorted guys. I had tried to deploy the image by using PXE.

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  Remo

• Not able to deploy to the emulator device for debugging

  Hello

  I am trying to deploy a simple program, the device for learning the stunts, but its stuck at "(BLOQUÉ: opération utilisateur attend)" "(pour terminer)" "

  This is ridiculous. I tried many things such as the re - install the Momentics IDE, toggling the mode of development on the device, etc..

  http://Tinypic.com/m/i6ccbc/4

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  It seems to work now. Sometimes however still. I have firewall and anti-virus, but appears not to be the cause of the UPS taken randomly.

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• Not able to deploy it to the device

  Hello. I am writing a game using Marmalade for the PlayBook (Visual Studio 10, WIN 7 ide, C++), but I have problems of deployment on the PlayBook. I went through laughter, a minute process of getting customer-COMINCO files - number.csj (http://www.drmop.com/index.php/2011/08/30/marmalade-sdk-and-blackberry-playbook-from-setup-and-deplo... but I'm stuck on the last step - IE trying to send my game to my PlayBook.)

  The PlayBook no longer displays a button download Debug Token - apparently that's frowned upon. So the PB has no debugging token and no apparent way to send it a. Not sure that point to get the files of .csj was.

  However try to deploy from Marmalade gives me error

  -nfo: send request: install

  result::failure 881 found no debugging token

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  See you soon,.

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  Resolved - deploy from the command prompt works even without a token button - but it took a reboot of both devices and uninstall/reinstall one java - now works.

• VAPP intermittently won't start - not able to deploy the network...

  I have a catalog article which appeared to be an identical copy. There two vm and PPAV natd(8) internal network and a firewall. I'm an admin org, user A and user B are the authors of vApp. When the user deploys this point and try to turn it on, this is the error she received:

  Impossible to deploy the network "TLX Internal(urn:uuid:ba517443-bb68-43f6-b10a-bde8f8df8003)".

  1. com.vmware.ssdc.util.LMException: portgroup dvs DV. VCDVSTLX Internal-ba517443-bb68-43f6-b10a-bde8f8df8003 be found in the inventory after creation

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  -DV portgroup dvs. VCDVSTLX Internal-ba517443-bb68-43f6-b10a-bde8f8df8003 be found in the inventory after creation

  
  

  If I, as an admin of org, try it works, I get the same error HOWEVER if I user A deploy this TIME and leave it in a powered off State, I turn on with success.

  
  

  User B can deploy and power on this exact TIME even without any problem at all.

  
  

  
  

  What gives?
  

  In addition, KB is obsolete.  I think that the problem has been resolved in 5.5.3 by this support note:

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• Not able to deploy human workflows

  Hello
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  ' FATAL_ERROR: {(/ ns:composite/ns:import[@location='oramds:/soa/shared/workflow/TaskServiceInterface.wsdl']}(21,30) location: wsdl load 'oramds:/soa/shared/workflow/TaskServiceInterface.wsdl' failed} ".
  
  [scac] ' FATAL_ERROR: location {/ ns: composite / ns:component [@name = 'LoggerWorkList']} (33.36): cannot find the Port Type "{http://xmlns.oracle.com/bpel/workflow/taskService} TaskService" for "TaskService" in the WSDL handler.
  
  
  I went to the MDS repository and found that 'TaskServiceInterface.wsdl' was present it there.
  See my adf file - config.xml:
  
  <? XML version = "1.0" encoding = "windows-1252"? >
  < adf-config xmlns = "http://xmlns.oracle.com/adf/config."
  xmlns:ADF = "http://xmlns.oracle.com/adf/config/properties" >
  < adf:adf - properties-child xmlns = "http://xmlns.oracle.com/adf/config/properties" >
  < name adf-property = "adfAppUID" value = "SOALoggerApplication-2724" / >
  < / adf:adf - properties-child >
  < adf-mds-config xmlns = "http://xmlns.oracle.com/adf/mds/config" >
  < mds-config xmlns = "http://xmlns.oracle.com/mds/config" >
  persistence-config <>
  <>metadata-namespaces
  < metadata-store-use namespace = 'mstore-usage_1"path =" / soa/shared "/ >
  < / metadata namespaces >
  < metadata-store-uses >
  < metadata-store-use = id "mstore-usage_1" >
  < class name of metadata store = "oracle.mds.persistence.stores.file.FileMetadataStore" >
  < value = "${oracle.home} /integration property" "
  name = "metadata-path" / >
  < property value = 'seeds' name = 'name of the partition' / >
  < / metadata store >
  < / metadata-store-use >
  < / metadata-store-uses >
  < / persistence-config >
  < / mds-config >
  < / adf-mds-config >
  < / adf-config >
  
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  Thank you
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  Think SLE solution offered inthi blog might help you too
  http://blog.ipnweb.com/2011/01/MDS-00054-file-to-be-loaded-does-not.html

  HTH,
  Peter Paul

• Not able to deploy Applications: "the process is not defined in the descriptor.

  All the

  I have a pretty serious problem here to try to take a LCA of an environment and get in another environment.  Source and destination environments are LCES 2.5 (LCES 2 with Service Pack 2).  I have about 6 applications and there are a few extreme dependencies (one application that refers to an asset from another application) are.  I took a STROKE of all these applications in the environment of the source and ACL matter perfectly in the destination environment, but I am unable to deploy one of the applications that have extreme dependencies.  The error that I always get when I try to deploy any application that has an extreme addiction is:

  [Process name] otherwise is not defined in the descriptor.

  I tried all of the following conditions:

  (1) combined 1 LCA applications

  (2) taking several local calling areas where each ACL contains only a single request

  (3) taking several local calling areas where each LCA includes an application as well as all the extreme dependencies for this application

  No matter what I try, they deploy.  I can import the LCA and I can get the apps in the Workbench and play with them, but they do not deploy everything simply.  I also tried to manually set all the groping in the processes themselves, but that does not work either.

  Any help would be appreciated.

  I wanted to just follow the solution to my problem.

  It seems centres issue around distant circular dependencies.  In general, it seems that LiveCycle choke when two applications of each reference to another.  Note that I'm not talkinng on the true circular referencing here in which a process in the references of the application has an application B while this process refers to the initial process request.  Indeed, although I have not tested recently, I believe that LiveCycle can actually catch this kind of question.  I'm talking about circular dependencies of distant is simply when a process requests was (let's call it a1) refers to a process in application B (let's call b1) while a process in application B (call the b2) refers to a process in applicatoin has (let's call a2).  Apparently, this type of circular reference causes the deployment of applications of such choke.

  The fix was painful because I had to manually delete all distant dependencies of these two application, deploy these two requests to get in the long term and then implement these dependencies again.

  Now it seems preferable to never have 1 direction of the dependencies for any application.

• Not able to deploy all libraries

  I'm using Labview 8.6.1, but was using 8.6 until today.  I had not used LabVIEW for a few months until last week, and before last week, everything worked very well.  I loaded a project and he ran and has encountered an error.  I checked my manager system distributed and noticed that I have not this process underway, not even system.  System is always on, even if I'm not using Labview.  So somehow missed something and I need recommendations.  As part of the services, I can see that all of the appropriate services are running including shared Variable engine.  But when projects will not be the same autodeploy and my system process went, I'm sure something is Jacked.  Any ideas?  Should I reinstall the EVS?  How do you do that?  Thank you.

  So I have no way of knowing what exactly went wrong and why, but I
  uninstalled LabVIEW Edition today and reinstalled.  My
  first test was to try a work project known, who has not worked since
  ghosts in the machine took over last week.  I received an error message
  indicating that the shared Variable engine had stopped working.  What has
  relief, a different error message.  Then I restarted the project and ran
  My VI and Labview told me that this version of windows (Vista) cannot
  by program start and stop services, and what I should do
  He me.  So I started the EVS, and as if by magic, my projects all works
  here in my Distributed System Manager is no longer a fool.  So I have
  guess she needs a full-on kick in the ass.  Although he would have
  summer well if there was some quick way to reinstall corrupted EVS
  instead of 40 minutes uninstall reinstall of Labview.

• No.. Debug and not able to deploy BlackBerry double initialize?

  It's freaking me out and is very definitely a rookie mistake so sorry in advance.

  Why is that if I do this in a class

  Private double d1 = 0;

  the JDE and Eclipse will not generate a .debug file and let me debug BUT

  If I do this

  Private double d1;

  It works fine? The error I get is "debug information are missing. Not all applications can be debogables... "blaa blaa.

  Again, I am new to Java to take it easy on me...

  In case someone else runs into this, it was a rookie mistake.

  I was running the jde 5.0 but my phone worked only 4. something OS. He didn't like it.

  Ken

• not able to deploy from Eclipse - class Runner can not be initialized

  Hello

  Two days ago I installed the new versions of the Glassfish tools as well as the last Eclipse Luna SR1

  When you try to deploy, I get the following error message:

  org.glassfish.tools.ide.admin.CommandException: cannot initialize class Runner

  at org.glassfish.tools.ide.admin.AdminFactory.newRunner(AdminFactory.java:180)

  at org.glassfish.tools.ide.admin.AdminFactoryHttp.getRunner(AdminFactoryHttp.java:110)

  at org.glassfish.tools.ide.admin.ServerAdmin.exec(ServerAdmin.java:75)

  at oracle.eclipse.tools.glassfish.GlassfishServerBehaviourDelegate.publishDeployedDirectory(GlassfishServerBehaviourDelegate.java:608)

  at oracle.eclipse.tools.glassfish.GlassfishV4ServerBehavior.publishModuleForGlassFishV3(GlassfishV4ServerBehavior.java:96)

  at oracle.eclipse.tools.glassfish.GlassfishV4ServerBehavior.publishModule(GlassfishV4ServerBehavior.java:56)

  at org.eclipse.wst.server.core.model.ServerBehaviourDelegate.publishModule(ServerBehaviourDelegate.java:1091)

  at org.eclipse.wst.server.core.model.ServerBehaviourDelegate.publishModules(ServerBehaviourDelegate.java:1183)

  at org.eclipse.wst.server.core.model.ServerBehaviourDelegate.publish(ServerBehaviourDelegate.java:987)

  at org.eclipse.wst.server.core.model.ServerBehaviourDelegate.publish(ServerBehaviourDelegate.java:774)

  at org.eclipse.wst.server.core.internal.Server.publishImpl(Server.java:3157)

  to org.eclipse.wst.server.core.internal.Server$ PublishJob.run (Server.java:345)

  at org.eclipse.core.internal.jobs.Worker.run(Worker.java:54)

  Caused by: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException

  at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0 (Native Method)

  the work of application even if deployed directly on the glassfish Server

  I did all the suggestions in Impossible to deploy app form Luna Eclipse on Glassfish 4.0 or 4.1 with JDK8 but without success.

  Does anyone have any idea what could be the problem and how to track it down?

  Thank you very much!

  Could you post the complete stack trace? We were unable to reproduce this problem.

  Are what version of GF you? What OS? What version of Java? You have other versions of Java installed on your system? This happens with every application that you try to deploy, including a base type ' hello world ' or only with some apps?