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  Technical training:

  I understand the possibility the tablet software and firmware must take a decision on the manner in which power flows on the power port USB microphone B pins.

  I know that with a proper design of the electronic circuit carring these signals of power inside the Tablet could be sensitive to what is connected and without risk to decide for himself what to do without needing to control software.  For example by testing/detecting periodically differential voltage or current management to see what sides of the connector can supply.

  But this is only one of the many "could bes".

  In addition, this can be no standard regarding the standard USB.  What seems to be actually the case with a lot of cables OTG + fresh, is that physical clues embedded in the cable or charger are used to signal to the Tablet what the situation is.  Then the signal of software/firmware of the Tablet, interprets what the situation is intelligently and responds by flipping the bits of correct hardware control to activate, or deactivate the power flow in the port and also control its direction in or out.

  I'm not familiar with the standard USB.  Maybe I could do more research, if I believed that HP followed with 8 Stream or even the standard covered this situation explicitly.

  But to a certain extent, it seems I'll have to invent something that should be intuitively just like it does with other tablets. Isn't it?  Maybe I'm overthinking, but I can't find any USB OTG + cables load that specify compatibility with 8 HP flow.

  In any case, I was familiar with both methods other use of tablets to send the highest mentioned signal to the hardware/firmware/software of the tablet to the idea that it's time to load / time of OTG or both.

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  The other method I have seen suggested to work with some tablets and phones other than the 8 stream is too short the USB microphone B pin 5 to Terminal 4 with 0 Ohms to 100 000 Ohms.

  USB B has 5 pins.  USB has only 4.  The extra pin on B moves the GND pin 4 pin 5 pin to and makes pin 4 PIN ID.

  If this signal applies to a drop in the ID pin (4) or in some cases, I saw that she proposed, he runs down with 0 Ohms.

  Dead shorting things always makes me nervous.  If ID is a simple normally high impedance high input, resistance could be used to make voltage well below the low or zero threshold while also preventing the risk of damage when cheat on him with a device that you do not have the diagram for.

  Yet, 100K is a bit high for a 'pull down' in most of the situations that I'm used to.  Even a 10K would be uncertain. A 1 K or 2 K seems reliable enough, but then things are weaker and in know more nowadays low...   All but a dead short but if possible.

  So, it seems possible that the device might be able to "indicate" by the specific value of the resistance, which can be found here.  In other words the resistance is not a pull down but in fact a signature analog ID, in which case the exact value will be crucial. So if this is the case, a guess is not going to work.

  Obviously in such a system as described above, a chip inside the Stream 8 should be responsible to support this information. I hope the 8 Stream has such a chip.

  Probably a register inside this chip would be at all times what the State of the pin ID is a binary number.  All that is needed is for the BIOS to the chip and the registry in it and read this number via the bus to determine what happens to the port. Finally, he would use that signals of info to send the order of material to the electrontics of power set the appropriate direction to take etc.  (and change the State of the icon on the screen of the rude)

  I don't know if the PIN ID method described is a standard USB or not either.

  Eventually, there may be a third way. But I do not suspect that it would be possible with a non-active external device. In any case too complicated for the novice DIY for sure.

  The device would need to act is a kind of extension of bus.  As an active hub.  But she would use the negotiation of data USB serial lines and in addition to reproduce one or more additional USB ports, intelligently inform the tablet to get with the program which is "now we're going to otg and recharge at the same time."

  This requires a smart external device with a processor Inside, no doubt.

  It seems to me that many other tablets have been able achieve avecjoint here the need for a smart external device and thus the flow must also be able to do.

  There is a device that claims to be able to work with the HP Jet 7 and 8 and provides same ethernet and USB and big DVI ports so loads the data stream.  But its expensive because it is active.  Se here:

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  It's called a "Docking Station".

  A reference to a product that does exactly what I want (possibly without active electronic components) is here:

  http://AMZN.com/B00LTHBCNM

  It's by Kirin and it is a device of type squid with four USB ports.  Precisely, which is my goal.  But read in the comments stream 7 user indicated that he would not be OTG and load, not really clear if it worked as a hub USB OTG or not.  Another evaluator stated that she would not support even a single USB device much less fees of 8 Stream.  This device has a switch.

  I forgot to mention that some 'hackers' have claimed success with other tablets to deceive their devices by using a multi-step process to plug things in.  Usually in general they would get connected Tablet and load first, then they would return a switch or something remove some resistance or the signal was introduced by the first position of the switch. For some reason any Tablet would continue to require. Then the data lines would be free and they would plug in a usb key and it mounts correctly even if the tablet was always in charge.

  It's like the power circuit has a lock which does not allow it to return to the mode "power flow" as long as he still feels the power flows inward regardless of what software it is telling.  Full proposal here.

  These tips seem dubious to me.  Changes in the BIOS could change the way it works.  Also you can not be sure what actually happens if you do not have a schematic representation.  You could damage your tablet.  Many people will support icon in the operating system whether the Tablet is in charge.  But I'm sort of a low-risk guy and my policy is generally indicators of intereperet not to have meaning at all once a device is functioning in a non-standard setting.  Especially when it's something that I did not built and could not fix if I FRY.

  Hypothetical reasoning: tell me what data sensory discs really the State of the charging light screen?  This reflect the bit of hardware control programs actually feeding management and status on the port?  Or does it measure the direction of the flow of power, said in the section of the circuit battery monitoring?  Point - none of us have a schema because it's owner. To really be sure according to the smart electronic hardware, the port must be mode flow under advisement "of power. If it's in a "power flow out" mode and power will be delivered externally as well you wind upward with both power supplies the same power at the wheel nets.  In this case, the two opposing regulators attempting both to drive 5 V can have slightly different voltage calibrations.  That could lead to fighting between them, with more than 100% of their capacity.  For example if you try to regulate 4.95 real V and the other and other attempts to regulate 5.05 V.  Current then flows to the tune of 100 mV / a few milliohms in the cables linking the two.  This may be several amperes. (many)  In other words, like I said: you want the tablet to know that power is coming in don't go out and automatically hitting the internal switches needed for that to happen. Probably the icon should indicate this with precision, but in some wacky situation, he could not. There may be a chance that the icon could indicate the load and still be burning or focusing on some circuits of the tablet or the charger.

  Another thing, I could see that happening is if you play with these reported resistance types enough you might find a resistance value that winds up place the device in an intermittent condition.  In other words it keeps flipping back and forth quickly between OTG and fresh.  It can give the illusion that it works.  You can have marginal communication with your USB devices and battery could even load.  But will still be a lot of stress on the power circuit.

  It is difficult for me to risk a Tablet perfectly well if I don't know exactly what I'm doing.

  If a brave individual makes their own experimentation and verifies that it charges and OTGs and you tell the rest of us, you're a hero.

  Maybe one of you has a good knowledge on the USB standard to have more confidence in such an experience... like what the ID pin 4 REALLY supposed to work for example?

  That's what I know so far.  If you think you can help, thanks in advance, or if this helped you, then your quite welcome.

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