Ethernet 802.3 vs Ethernet II frame
Hi guys,.
There are 2 types of framing Ethernet: 802.3 and Ethernet II.
According to cisco "Ethernet II is the Ethernet frame format used in TCP/IP networks." So what of the 802.3 frame? I'm not really able to find an explanation...
Thanks in advance and best regards
Adam
EDIT: Did a small test in Packet Tracer and Wireshark and the frame is actually an Ethernet II frame, for example:
Hi Adam,.
I apologize for the late response, I got a little more busy day.
Hmm, so if the length (in a container 802.3 and Frame 802.2 LLC header) indicates how long all the "header field and the 802.2 data ' is, so I can't imagine what this filed can be used... or is it purely to distinguish between an Ethernet II and LLC 802.2, 802.2 SNAP frame, no less and more?
Well, the length field is exactly what he says to you: it expresses the size of the portion of any payload of the image, in bytes.
Remember that the 802.3 container base consists of the following fields or parts:
DstMAC, SrcMAC, length, Message, Checksum
Notice that, except parts of Message, all other fields have a fixed length: DstMAC and SrcMAC are 6 bytes long, the length is 2 bytes long, Checksum is 4 bytes long. The Message is a size variable, and the gate length field the size of the whole message. The Message itself may be structured internally in different subdomains - it can contain LLC header, SNAP header, other headers and then the message carried by the framework, but at length, is not serious. It describes the size of the part of the entire Message, regardless of how it is structured internally.
You can have a valid question, if the length field is really needed if Ethernet II can function without it. Of course, technically, you can just fine. IEEE must have felt at the time where the presence of a length field has been a natural thing - this feeling ultimately proved is not particularly useful. On the other hand, it does damage, either.
Also, when I look back at your Wireshark capture (on the first package) and browse the Ethernet IEEE 802.3 frame I see the length value (is it in bits?) but miss me the 802.2 header and escrowed data.
The 105 in the length field value is the combined size of the field 'Logical-Link Control' (control + PAAS DSAP = 3 bytes) and the Spanning Tree Protocol (102 bytes) message. Remember, what you (and Cisco) call '802.2 header and data field' is the 802.2 LLC consisting of DSAP + control + SSAP (you see in Wireshark as "Logical link control", and the data that is the Protocol Spanning Tree message itself.
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Best regards
Peter
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Hi people. I currently have an Intel pro/Wireless 3945ABG Network card in my laptop. If I had to upgrade to a newer version, which we'd be one of the newest and best for my laptop? And the new WiMax from Intel would work in the Qosmio G30 - 204?
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Satellite Pro 4320 - replacement of CDROM
Hello I'm new to the forum here so apologies for any bad "neticate". I recently acquired a Toshiba Satallite Pro 4320 and tries to replace the CDROM drive with a CD - RW DVD combi drive. I took every screw I can find out and he will always come out!