GANYMEDE + vs RADIUS

Hello

I know this has been asked several times, but I think I'd ask myself. We have ACS at the moment and need to move to an improved version due to updates of systems and so inconsistent with our most recent operating systems. This means that we will go to ISE 2.0 which includes GANYMEDE + as an additional addon. However, I am told that I have need GANYMEDE + we can use Radius for the administration of the unit.

My question is how security is due to the fact that RADIUS doesn't crypt not the whole package just the password and therefore the user enter orders get broadcast to ISE for the purposes of verification, if also surely we would want this package to be encrypted, of course there are other considerations. The network is relatively small with two basic switches and then 15 switch cupboards and wireless APs around the site, VPN users and system admin and we will deploy network too with the new platform of ISE device authentication. We are a building has floors open to the public.

All points received with gratitude.

Thank you

Ed

RADIUS, and you will be the accountant and approval, which means that you won't have an audit trail of who entered that orders on this device command and when and you can't control what commands are performed by each user (they will be able to run some commands are available for their current privilege level).

For these reasons, GANYMEDE + is usually preferred for the administration of the unit.

Javier Henderson

Cisco Systems

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