Problem connecting to internet wireless (Hp elitebook 8440p, windows 7 Professional)

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• Problem connecting to internet 'network unidentified. "

  Original title: remove corrupt card WIRELESS

  Problem connecting to internet. My current tinkering is to disable the Intel network card, reactivate, and I connected. However, when I restart, the change is lost and the network icon shows no access, and offers connections that do not work. I guess that somewhere in the registry is the "unidentified network" below.

  The network page shows the connection contains two networks, the right most "unidentified network".  I tried to review or delete this without success.

  When I connect as long as user admin, the connection is present and working.

  How is - a change the connections?

  Hello

  Please contact Microsoft Community. I appreciate your efforts to solve this problem, I'll probably help you solve this problem.

  To better understand the issue, I would need more information on your side.

  1. What is the brand and model of the computer?
  2. You are using a wired or wireless network?

  This problem might have occurred because of these reasons:

  1. Corrupt drivers.
  2. Incorrect settings.

  Try the steps listed here:

  Method 1:
  I suggest you to perform network troubleshooting and check if it helps. It will help resolve common network connectivity errors.

  Network convenience stores
  http://Windows.Microsoft.com/en-us/Windows7/open-networking-troubleshooters

  Method 2:
  If the problem persists, I suggest to try the procedure described in the following article and check if it helps.

  Why can't connect me to a network?
  http://Windows.Microsoft.com/en-us/Windows/cant-connect-to-network#1TC=Windows-7

  Check out the link for more information.

  Wireless and wired network problems
  http://Windows.Microsoft.com/en-us/Windows/network-connection-problem-help#network-problems=Windows-7&V1H=win81tab1&V2H=win7tab1&V3H=winvistatab1&v4h=winxptab1

  Hope this information helps. Reply to the post with an up-to-date report of the issue so that we can help you further.

• I can't connect my computer at home it has windows xp professional on... just go round in a circle with 30 seconds of countdown to try to open a session.

  I can't connect my computer at home it has windows xp professional on... just go round in a circle with 30 seconds of countdown to try to log on... I tried options menu that is to say; go to the last known working etc etc... but not good. Problem came when the wife has removed some material... not been able to get a blue screen connect etc. Since HELP!

  original title: help!

  If you have no Windows CD, you can not do a repair installation.

  If you have no Windows CD, the message from the moderator of the Forum Nicholas_W will not help you either.

  If the disk verification fails, there is no sense to try a repair installation because the file system was obviously some problems that must be fixed first (at least that is what I think).

  Wouldn't you want some ideas that actually work?

  The error:

  STOP: 0 X 00000024 0 X 00190203 0X82F42108, 0XC0000102, 0X00000000

  indicates a problem with your NTFS file system.  You can usually solve this by running chkdsk/r from the XP Recovery Console.

  The question was preceded by a loss of power, aborted reboot or abnormal termination? (This includes the plug pulling, buttons power and removing the battery).

  These can cause corruption in the file system that must be fixed before you do anything else.

  If none of these events occurred (or even if they have not taken place), you must verify the integrity of your file system before anything else (especially "try" things).

  Here's how:

  Boot into the Recovery Console Windows using an XP bootable installation CD.

  If you have no XP bootable media (or aren't sure you have) create a bootable XP Recovery CD of Console and do not forget.

  This is not the same as recovery disks that might have come with the acquisition of the system store.

  You can make a bootable Recovery Console CD by downloading an ISO file and burn it to a CD.

  The ISO bootable image file you need to download is called:

  xp_rec_con. ISO

  Download the ISO from here:

  http://www.mediafire.com/?ueyyzfymmig

  Use a new CD and this simple and free program to burn your ISO file and create your bootable CD:

  http://www.ImgBurn.com/

  When you install ImgBurn, DO NOT install the Ask toolbar.

  Here are some instructions for ImgBurn:

  http://Forum.ImgBurn.com/index.php?showtopic=61

  It would be a good idea to test your bootable CD on a computer running.

  You may need to adjust the computer BIOS settings to use the CD-ROM drive as the first device to boot instead of the hard drive.  These adjustments are made before Windows tries to load.  If you miss it, you will need to restart the system again.

  When you start on the CD, follow the instructions:

  Press any key to boot from CD...

  Installing Windows... going to pronounce.

  Press 'R' to enter the Recovery Console.

  Select the installation that you want to access (usually 1: C:\WINDOWS)

  You may be asked to enter the password (usually empty).

  You should be in the folder C:\WINDOWS.  It's the same as the

  C:\Windows folder that you see in Solution Explorer.

  The Recovery Console allows base as file commands: copy, rename, replace, delete, chkdsk, fixboot, fixmbr, cd, etc.

  For a list of the commands in the Recovery Console, type help at the prompt of commands or read on here XP Recovery Console:

  http://www.Microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/proddocs/en-us/recovery_console_cmds.mspx?mfr=true

  A good idea before you start things must first verify the integrity of your file system by using the chkdsk command.

  In the command prompt window, run the chkdsk command on the drive where Windows is installed to try to fix any problems on the afflicted player.

  Running chkdsk is fine, even if he finds no problem.  It won't hurt anything to run it.

  Assuming your boot drive is C, run the following command:

  CHKDSK C: /r

  Let chkdsk finish to correct the problems, he could find.

  It may take a long time for chkdsk complete or they seem to be "stuck".  Be patient.  If the HARD drive led blinks always, chkdsk is something.  Keep an eye on the amount of the percentage to be sure that it is still making progress.  It may even seem to go back sometime.

  You must run chkdsk/r again until it finds no error to correct.

  Remove the CD, and then type "exit" to exit the RC and restart the computer.

  You have not to set the BIOS to boot the disk HARD since the CD won't be.

• How many workstations can connect and use a hard drive in windows 7 Professional?

  How many workstations can connect and use a hard drive in windows 7 Professional?

  Thank you

  Randy

  Original title: Windows 7 Professional Log In

  If my memory serves me, 10 is the professional for Windows Server limit.

• problems connecting to the wireless network - the network (no internet access) proxy setting

  Former title: yellow triangle wireless

  My computer can connect to the wireless router but cannot connect to the internet. I try to connect with the ethernet with cable modem connection & it still does not work. The other laptop works fine but my does not.

  1. I have uninstalled & installed the network card.

  2 restart the apater modem & network cable

  3. I get 'Windows could not detect a network proxy setting.

  4. when I "Network & Sharing Center" and under "show your network activity" I get "identification."

  5. "identiyfing netgear" below said 'no Internet' when you are connected to netgear

  Windows IP configuration

  The host... name: Jeffrey -.
  Primary Dns suffix...:
  Node... type: hybrid
  Active... IP routing: No.
  Active... proxy WINS: No.

  Wireless Network Connection 2 wireless LAN adapter:

  State of the media...: Media disconnected
  The connection-specific DNS suffix. :
  ... Description: Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport adapt
  Physical address.... : 1C-65-9D-BF-E2-BF
  DHCP active...: Yes
  Autoconfiguration enabled...: Yes

  Wireless network connection Wireless LAN adapter:

  The connection-specific DNS suffix. :
  Description...: Realtek RTL8188CE WLAN 802.11n PCI-E NIC
  Physical address.... : 1C-65-9D-BF-E2-BF
  DHCP active...: Yes
  Autoconfiguration enabled...: Yes
  Address IPv6 local link...: fe80::cc8f:f2cd:dd7c:ccd1% 17 (Preferred)
  Autoconfiguration IPv4 address. . : 169.254.204.209 (Preferred)
  ... Subnet mask: 255.255.0.0.
  ... Default gateway. :
  DNS servers: fec0:0:0:ffff:1 1%
  FEC0:0:0:FFFF:2 1%
  FEC0:0:0:FFFF:3 1%
  NetBIOS over TCP/IP...: disabled

  Ethernet connection to the Local network card:

  State of the media...: Media disconnected
  The connection-specific DNS suffix. :
  Description...: Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller
  Physical address.... : 1C-75-08-73-8F-F1
  DHCP active...: Yes
  Autoconfiguration enabled...: Yes

  Tunnel adapter isatap. {342574F9-0D0B-4337-B59D-E7373E959066}:

  State of the media...: Media disconnected
  The connection-specific DNS suffix. :
  ... Description: Microsoft ISATAP adapter
  Physical address.... : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
  DHCP active...: No.
  Autoconfiguration enabled...: Yes

  Tunnel adapter isatap. {25F2C90C-9E95-491A-BDFC-4F4CDA2FE33D}:

  State of the media...: Media disconnected
  The connection-specific DNS suffix. :
  ... Description: Adapter Microsoft ISATAP #2
  Physical address.... : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
  DHCP active...: No.
  Autoconfiguration enabled...: Yes

  Card tunnel Local Area Connection * 12:

  State of the media...: Media disconnected
  The connection-specific DNS suffix. :
  ... Description: Microsoft 6to4 card
  Physical address.... : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
  DHCP active...: No.
  Autoconfiguration enabled...: Yes

  Card tunnel Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

  State of the media...: Media disconnected
  The connection-specific DNS suffix. :
  ... Description: Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
  Physical address.... : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
  DHCP active...: No.
  Autoconfiguration enabled...: Yes

  Hi istraight1,
  a few steps, I recommend you to see exactly what this question:
  http://Windows.Microsoft.com/en-us/Windows-Vista/troubleshoot-network-connection-problems

  and
  http://answers.Microsoft.com/en-us/Windows/Forum/Windows_7-networking/Windows-could-not-automatically-detect-this/d243dea1-d1c8-4C4A-ba96-2b49bc9bab1a?TM=1338167520088

  and finally:
  http://social.technet.Microsoft.com/forums/en-us/itprovistaprinting/thread/548ca07e-F04E-4973-8719-8c09959f1ca6hope this helps.
  B Eddie

• Satellite C850 - 19(d) - problems connecting to internet

  Ive had problems connecting to the internet for the past weeks.
  I used to be able to just open my browser after my phone finished putting in, but now I have to wait because after setting up my connection is limited so I have to wait for it to connect completely.

  When it finishes by the fact that he goes to random then disconnect. It used to take long periods of time, like an hour or something while now it disconnects after 10 to 20 minutes, that drives me crazy.
  The only thing that will fix it restart my laptop.

  I use a single network where I have a fixed IP address, the family use it, but we all different IP addresses so it should not be because of this.

  The other network is open, but it has the same problems.

  Curiously, when I use more than one window, a window or tab could still operate, usually that's my facebook chat. Often this will continue to work, but nothing else. No other tab, or even facebook will update. He'll just ask that there is no internet connection.

  The network will be disconnected and will not reconnect until I restart the laptop. I tried to just disable the wifi for a few minutes, but he does not either. You have to restart.

  As I said, there is a fixed IP address, but because there are 4 other laptops in my house, we all use a different IP address, including smartphones, but nobody else has this problem. What makes me think this is my laptop which has a problem, but I don't know what.

  I need that an operating system can cause problems like this but I don't have my operating system changes, and it's always Windows 8. Can't do updates because I don't have internet for long enough.

  Is there something wrong with my network card, or is there something else?

  > Y at - it something wrong with my network card, or is there something else?

  I assume you mean the wireless connection. Is this right?

  First I would recommend you to check if the same internet connection using the LAN cable.

  Second, you should check if you have the same problem using the laptop with the battery or even computer using the socket.
  I m asking that because in many cases power saving options can affect the connection.

  Last but not least, you should also check if it would be possible to update the WLan driver (in case you use the Wlan connection).
  In many cases the Wlan driver update would solve some compatibility and feature wireless problems.

• Unable to connect to the wireless network, error message "Windows could not finish repairing the problem because it is impossible to perform the following action. Renewal of your IP address.

  Original title: Unable to connect to the wireless network

  Unable to connect to the network wireless Toshiba Satellite A105 PC running Windows 7.  "Windows could not finish repairing the problem because it is impossible to perform the following action. Renewal of your IP address.  Works with Windows XP SP2, IE 8.00.6001.18702 file, I think that Version 3.  It has been installed on a disk provided by Microsoft after that old installation became corrupt (in the sense of Microsoft technical support.)  Before that, wireless network worked well.   (So unable to connect to the Internet for updates.)   Have tried to change the other settings and different messages acquired when it SHOWS that I am connected but cannot connect because of something to do with the certificate.  I don't remember what I did to try to solve this problem in the last days.

  I should add that I have tried the solutions of the previous forum on this topic, and none worked.

  Hi Marilynnla,

  Sorry to hear about the bad experience you encounter. Lets see if the network problem can somehow be archived.

  Read this article and follow the steps. Lets see if it helps in any way.

  How to troubleshoot wireless network connections in Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Works for Windows XP SP3 as well)

• Problem connecting to the wireless LAN.

  My roommate and I just got wireless internet. She can connect without a problem by using his laptop, but refuses to my office. I have a B of Linksys Wireless USB adapter. Let's get our wireless network, he'll tell me that the network is out of range when I try to join. When I go to do it manually, it says "the network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as 5 or 13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters. "I read somewhere that WEP data encryption may have to be modified in the WAP format, but this format is not an option on my computer.  It seemed that I needed to download. If it's my problem, I have another question, how do I download something from the internet when the problem is that my computer does not have the internet?

  My roommate and I just got wireless internet. She can connect without a problem by using his laptop, but refuses to my office. I have a B of Linksys Wireless USB adapter. Let's get our wireless network, he'll tell me that the network is out of range when I try to join. When I go to do it manually, it says "the network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits depending on your network configuration. This can be entered as 5 or 13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters. I read somewhere that WEP data encryption may need to be changed to training WAP, but this format is not an option on my computer.  It seemed that I needed to download. If it's my problem, I have another question, how do I download something from the internet when the problem is that my computer does not have the internet?

  The message about "5 or 13 ascii characters or 10 or 26 hexadecimal characters" means the WEP encryption (which is essentially no encryption as much as anyone other that the more casual intruder is concerned).  Yes, you should use WPA or WPA2 encryption, but your old wireless adapter may not support one of the people.

  You most likely problem is that the wireless router is configured to use wireless-G only.  You must be the one controlling the router enter the configuration utility and set it to allow two G and B.  If you identify the make and model of the router, I can tell you how to do it--assuming you have access to the router.

  You can consider buying a new wireless adapter.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=wireless+usb+adapter (read the comments before you select only on the price)

• Laptop started having problems connecting to internet connections Wi - Fi

  in recent weeks my laptop new (6 months) started having problems connecting to wireless devices after spending hours ranging from hollow forums, check the settings in device etc, computer managers them laptop turns off, restarts said there was a problem that caused the laptop to the stop and then when it restarts it connects to the wireless device fine. If I stop back on the laptop, the problem when I turn it on.

  Not only it will pick up my wireless network, it says no wireless networks found despite her grateful normally about 15 other wireless connections, that my neighbors.

  Does anyone have a solution in the long term to this problem. I am a student and spent more than 3 hours trying to fix today and I don't have the time to deal with this all day.

  Thanks in advance

  > in the last few weeks my laptop new (6 months) started having problems connecting to wireless devices
  Have you changed some settings or perhaps updated driver WLAN? I mean, I can't imagine that problems start without reason.
  It is not easy to say what may be the problem. Perhaps, you must reinstall the recovery image and test the feature with the factory settings.

• Unable to connect to Internet wireless using the Galaxy Samsung SGH-I717 note.

  Original title: network

  Yes, I have all the products from Samsung, has everything to the computer screen one touch, a multifunction printer and a score of Galaxy (I717 GHS). My wireless network is with Dish Network. The computer and the printer works fine, but I cannot access my network wireless via my smartphone. I saw the control panel to display all installed devices but my wireless router is not displayed. When I try to access my network on my phone asking me to enter a password. When I type the router 8-digit number it says it is incorrect. What should I do?

  Hi Richard,

  Thanks for posting your question in the Microsoft Community.

   

  I would really appreciate if you could answer the following questions:

  1. what operating system is installed on your computer?

  Operating system Windows am I running?

  http://Windows.Microsoft.com/en-us/Windows7/help/which-version-of-the-Windows-operating-system-am-i-running

   

  2. are you able to connect to the Internet wireless with another network?

  I suggest you to contact Samsung support to learn more.

  Contact Samsung Support:

   

  http://www.Samsung.com/us/support/contact

  http://www.Samsung.com/us/support/

  If you need further assistance on this topic, let know us and we will be happy to help you.

• Problems connecting to internet - says network cable disconnected, not sure I have the correct driver installed.

  Had a big storm - got the new modem.  but they said that my drivers where missing or damaged.  Downloaded Marvell Yukon of gateway - to the GT5432 model. Always says cable unplugged network. However, Bishop says peripheral device works correctly. Don't save: no update-unable to connect to the internet.  I uninstalled and reinstalled; rebboted, etc. - still nothing. It has a problem with the PCI connection - no driver, but I don't see anywhere to down load or know what to download. Oh and another adapter on - think 1394 - when I turn that on and off the wonder; It shows the signal for the 1394---400 and does not say his unplugged, but still can not connect to internet.
  The "old" computer to try to find information; noticed that said, unplugged network cable but it allowed me to connect to the internet. When I disabled the 'extra' adapter message there went, speed signal only at 100 than at the 'old' calculation is not any other PCI devices connection listed.

  I'm not sure of what continues.

  The 1st computer was working fine - then picked it up to move it to where it belonged to my office and that's when he went out-made no sense to me!

  Because you seem comfortable opening your computer, have you tried re - a corner of the map (with power off, remove the card and reinsert it into the slot, be sure to exercise static precautions if you are in an environment of low-hu7midity).  If there is an empty slot, you can also move the map Marvell to another location.  See the comments below.

  It's a long shot, because even if you did not provide the complete ipconfig output, the data that you have provided appeared to be normal, but...

  Open network connections (start > run > ncpa.cpl > OK)
  Right-click on the icon for your network adapter, and then select Properties
  You should see a screen like this--> http://screenshots.modemhelp.net/screenshots/Windows_XP/Network_Connections/Local_Area_Connection/Properties/General/Index.shtml
  Issues related to the:
  In the upper area, under 'Connect using' said 'Marvell Yukon 88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller?  If this is not the case, what does say?

  In the second box, what are the items are listed under "this connection uses the following items"?

  The only other thing I can think is that the Marvell Ethernet card was damaged in the same storm that got your original modem/router.

  *******************************************

  According to Gateway, the GT5432 has 4 card slots:
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  A PCI Express x 1
  Two PCI Conventional

  Your motherboard should look like this:
  

  Orange, top, connector is the PCI Express x 16.  You probably have a video card in this slot.

  The short white connector is the PCI Express x 1 connector.

  Two more long white connectors are the standard PCI slots.

  If I understand your installation, you should have the Marvell Yukon map into the slots of two down and your Agere modem on the other.  As long as you have the SMC1244TX PCI card, why don't just remove you the Agere modem or the card Marvell and insert the card CMS in one of the two PCI slots?  You are not using the modem and the working hypothesis is that the Marvell card does not work, so there is not much to gain by leaving a card in your computer.

  Download the user guide and drivers for the SMC here--> http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewProduct&localeCode=EN_TUR&cid=9&scid=51&pid=238 map

  Moreover, assuming that your open slot is the short PCI Express x 1 slot, you can buy another Ethernet card that will work in this niche: see--> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100010064%20600016290&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=100

  If I were you, I blow up the cheaper models and get the Intel EXPI9301CT $ 36 10 / 100 / 1000 Mbps PCI Express Desktop Adapter Gigabit CT.  Note that this is the same card with a similar name (with close to 400 customers) which sells for $29,94.  The price difference is because the cheaper "BLK" letters in the description, which means that it is "sold in bulk" and has no drivers, user guide CD or anything else in the box.  There are several negative comments from people who do not understand this difference and then had trouble finding the driver for the card on the Internet.

• problem connecting to the wireless network, but it worked yesterday.

  Yesterday, I was able to connect to my home wireless network, but not today. I also have a laptop and it connects to my wireless network, there must be something with the RT of Surface.

  Home Wireless works, why can't connect?

  Your post is off-topic in the forum Feedback, I moved it on the forum of "Web and Networking" Windows RT.

• EliteBook 8440p: windows 8 and 8.1 drivers

  Hi, I have a problem with the hp Web site. When I choose my Elitebook 8440p product and search for drivers, I can't find the windows operating system 8 or 8.1 if 32 or 64 bits. I only find xp, 7 and vista. And one more thing, I can't change my laptop screen brightness as the brughtness icon is not available and the keyboard keys that have adjust the BRIGHTNESS do nothing no more. I searched a lot for a solution to this problem on Youtube and did all the steps but him has failed. So, go download the graphics card driver a solution or what I need to do. I can't take it anymore, the brightness is very high when plugged in and very low when you use the battary. And finally in my adapters to display my graphics card appears in the form (Microsoft Basic adpter display) then what kind of dirver should I download for it and not the window 7 work home based or professional if I couldn't find 8.1? Sorry for this long post, but I wanted to find out all my problems all together. Please someone answer quickly.

  Use the W7 32-bit more professional, and you would use the Intel HD graphics driver or Nvidia HD graphic driver according to which graphics adapter to your PC.

• Maximum supported size of HARD drive for HP Elitebook 8440p Windows 7 Pro 64 bit runing

  Hello, I just bought a HP Elitebook 8440p "off lease" of Tigerdirect and seeks to upgrade the two memory (from 4 GB to 8 GB) and put in the eligible of the biggest HARD drive I can. Either a 512 GB SSD or a 1 TB WD hybrid WD BLACK2 (1 TB HDD / 120 GB SSD Combo drive in a single package!). I would like to see more large disk addressable by using Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit OS since I don't seem able to find this info on the web. HP offers only only a 256 GB SSD in its specifications. but I didn't know if it was do limitations of BIOS or availability at the time of production, even for the HARD drive to 512 GB.

  Also, I would like to know if 9.5 mm compliant Bay that it needs to be for the WD drive. Can't find that either, and while the new laptop has not yet happen, all measure exactly the same way regarding what works and what simply cannot be "cheated".

  Thank you for taking the time to read this and NO information to that effect would be Greatl appreciated!

  Essentially the reason why you do not have a maximum size of hard drive is because there is not everything. Between SATA and 64-bit OS', worrying about maximum size of hard drive is a thing of the past. Are the biggest readers found in the manual, as you suspected him, just a function of the market at the time of manufacture. It was a few years ago now, it is so understandable that the offerings were "at the time" more thin than now.

  Here is the Service Manual:

  Manual

  Page 4-9 shows the procedure of the Bay and the replacement of the hard disk. The Bay is made for a 9.5 mm thickness 2.5-inch wide SATA hard but the new 7 mm readers also works. The black hybrid drive requires some software (included in the package) to treat the two drives in Windows and I read a modest amount of disappointment in the documentation about them. If you can afford the 512 GB SSD go in this direction and you will not be sorry. I use a Samsung 840 Evo and it has worked perfectly for me for almost 2 years and the most recent 850 I hear is even better.

  If it's 'the Answer' please click on 'Accept as Solution' to help others find it.

• What drivers do I need to connect to the internet after a reinstallation of Windows XP Professional?

  Hey,.

  I need the drivers that allow me to connect to the internet in Windows XP Professional.

  Wired connection; Windows is not currently recognizing the modem, but he has done it before the reinstall.

  I have not much information for you as I do the installation on one of the computers to work. If I get a general idea of what I need drivers that would be quite useful because I can pass my quarter fumble through them! Links to drivers would be super awesome!

  Thank you very much!

  Axel

  I need the drivers that allow me to connect to the internet in Windows XP Professional.

  Wired connection; Windows is not currently recognizing the modem, but he has done it before the reinstall.

  I have not much information for you as I do the installation on one of the computers to work. If I get a general idea of what I need drivers that would be quite useful because I can pass my quarter fumble through them! Links to drivers would be super awesome!

  Thank you very much!

  Axel

  The drivers you need are determined by the hardware you have.  You need to know the brand and model in order to go to the manufacturer and download the drivers for this specific device.

  Since then, you didn't give any material information...