Problem incrementing in a worksheet

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  I have a few problems reading a sheet DLL created in LabVIEW. The DLL is written in C++.

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  So it's good enough that the VI and it works fine until some point when the just VI reads more calculation and x = sheet! There? becomes true.

  Most of the time it happens when the csv file is about 1200 lines

  Someone knows why this happens?

  Best regards

  Stefan

  Hello

  understood, that the error occurs somewhere completely else. the thread may be closed

  BR

  Stefan

• Problems with multiple worksheets XY plotting (program generates repeated data)

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  The attached example can do all this (except for the entry in the file). He draws multiple charts on a XY chart using cluster and travel records. It is even possible to extract data in Excel, all that graphic, but the real problems comes with data are always added because of the loop. This gives a lot of empty and repeated data later. I'm jonesing to get rid of this. I have also attached several files of measure: 1 background and 3 measures.

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  In the while loop, you have a case of timeout that adds the same data over and over again, every 50ms. Why?

  Your mechanical actions "switch release" are misguided. Use actions to latch and remove structures deal as part of the event.

  Try to rethink the problem once the mode, and then solve the problem with 20% of your current code. See how far you get.

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  I never said anything about writing about a spreadsheet file with an output port.

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  05/08/16 09:19:52:760 | [INFO] |  |  |  |  |  |  | 3172. *******************End****************

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  Sequences will be not free of gap.

  When the sequence is aging out of the shared pool, for example, the cached values will be eliminated. Given that your cache is set to 20, which explains why the values will increase from 101 to 121 (101-120 were, no doubt, put in cache, and when the years sequence, the cached values have been cancelled). You can reduce the chances that you will get a deviation of the NOCACHE but sequence that will negatively affect performance. It won't completely prevent also the gaps - you'll see always gaps in transactions do backward when the triggers are redone for consistency of Scripture, etc.. If you can tolerate some gaps, you should be able to tolerate deviations resulting sequence cache aging on.

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