9225
I try to use NOR 9225E with NEITHER sbRIO-9642XT to measure DC value and supply frequency. The frequency of the source is at 1500 Hz and voltage 68Vrms. Thank you.
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The NI 9225 300 module input analog Vrms C Series has been designed for the waveform of signals measures high voltage. The Vrms 300 range allows line-neutral as a line of measures of electrical of 110 V and grids of the 240 line-neutral networks V. Three NI 9225 channels make the ideal module for a three-phase system. Measures voltage waveform are required to follow events like sag, swell, transient power quality and harmonics. Combine the 9225 OR with the NI 9239 (10 V) and a current transducer to create customizable power quality monitor or a power measurement system.
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