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• Two R810s, each with two 8Gb Fiber Channel HBA + MD3620F + MD1220

  Hi people.

  I am planning an installation on this end, and I'm tender hand in the hope that the community can help me carry this all together.

  To explain, I have two servers Dell PowerEdge R810, each with two 8 GB HBA Fibre Channel adapters.

  I also have a Bay SAN of Dell PowerVault MD3620F 8 Gbps, with two controllers.

  I also have a Dell PowerVault MD1220 DAS SAS Expander Bay.

  I think to connects both R810 servers directly to the MD3620F, in order to consume all ports of four CF on the MD3620F. That is, one in each controller, from two HBAs in each server. (I can do this, or do I need a Fibre Channel switch? The MD3620F has 4 available ports, 2 per controller, so it would seem to be a natural configuration for only these two servers)

  Then, I will link the MD1220 to the MD3620F, so that its readers are also accessible through the two R810s on the link of Fiber Channel 8 Gbps. (what is the process to connect a MD1220 to a MD3620F?)

  Thoughts, tips, suggestions?

  Thank you

  -Wentil

  Hello Wentil,

  Here is a link to our deployment guide. FTP://FTP.Dell.com/manuals/common/PowerVault-md3600f_Deployment%20Guide_en-us.PDF . in the deployment guide, we show how you can do an install direct attach & network attached using a fiber switch.

  Please let us know if you have any other questions.

• Connecting two cisco ESW 500 series switches.

  Hi Experts,

  I have a basic knowledge of the network and need help.

  I have two switches cisco ESW 500 series and I want to connect with each other.

  Q1 # what type of cable should I use to connect these two CrossOver switches or fiber... What is the advantage of the use of fiber on CrossOver. ?

  Q2 # what are the ports marked in the image used to...?

  

  Hi tech spec.

  You can use copper or fiber. You can use directly through crossover is not necessary. Fiber is generally more reliable, can offer a higher flow and distances much longer if needed. You will need to buy SFP modules to connect the fiber switches, which is an added expense.

  The ports on the right are shared. If you plug a FPS in the far-right for the fiber port, then the port to the left of it becomes idle. Only port copper or SFP port can be used at the same time. In addition, these ports are usually used for the uplink to another switch or router.

  Please mark this thread as answer or reply if you have any additional questions.

  -Marty

• Garantizar instalacion sin fibra switches

  Hola a todos,

  Tengo una instalacion en ciernes, pero Necesito UN saber if vmware is can negar a dar soporte if no fiber switches, Le os pongo:

  -teno una cabina IBM DS3524 con suficientes fibra puertos y back guests con tarjetas HBA double port fibra, me pregunta el client if vmware can negarse a dar soporte if no switches Hay por medio fibra?

  Me podeis help? Gracias!

  Hola tocayo nuevo:

  Pág 40 http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vsphere4/r41/vsp_41_san_cfg.pdf

  SAN connections SAN considerations must be through a topology switched if the table is not certified for direct connect

  topology. If the table is certified for direct connect topology, SAN connections can be made

  directly in the table. Boot from SAN is supported for the dial-up topology direct connection

  topology if these topologies for the specific table are certified.

  En HCL consulta por DS3500 y CX4-120 (storage/SAN) y luego abajo del todo choose the CF version. En nueva ventana is abre choose pestana model/version details there in the nueva tabla checks the Configuration column.

  A greeting.

• time of execution

  What is the duration under motorcycle g developers option.

  This is a selection of the type of virtual machine that will be used to run all of the java code for applications.

  I would recommend keep on Dalvik, as I think about the versions<= 4.4="" art="" is="" experimental.="" the="" choice="" was="" provided="" to="" switch="" so="" that="" app="" developers="" could="" test="" the="" apps="" they="" were="" writing="" against="" the="" newer="" runtime,="" which="" will="" be="" the="" default="" come="" 5.0/lollipop.="" this="" is="" also="" the="" reason="" why="" it="" is="" in="" the="" developer="" options="" section="" of="" the="" phone's="">

  Yes, unless you know what you do keep on Dalvik. I know for a fact that some games that I have actually fails to start or force close on art.

• Reference Dell M1000e Blade Server

  Hi all

  We have Dell M1000e Server Blade, 13 3 full height and 10 low-profile, I/O switch servers are A1, A2 B1B2 are MXL blade switches and C1, C2 are Brocade Fiber switches.

  mid-height servers are M630 PowerEdge Blade Server

  with 1. Port double QLogic 57810 - k 10 GB

  2 QLogic 57810-k dual port Mezz 10 GB KR ANC card for M-Series Blade servers

  3 Emulex LPM16002 Fibre Channel i/o Card 16Gbps

  and full height blade PowerEdge M820

  1 Broadcom 57810-k Dual port 10 GB KR

  2 Emulex LPM16002 Fibre Channel i/o Card 16Gbps

  the problem is when you first start, we received this message for full height only servers

  "A fabric mismatch detected for B1 Dell Blade mezzanine card"

  and full height servers only does not illuminate they keep flashing red

  What is the problem?

  It looks like the Emulex on the M820 may be installed in wrong mezzanine card. 1 to 3 media fabric C mezzanine card slots. do you know which slit it is currently installed in? Here is some additional info on removal and installation of the mezzanine cards.

  http://Dell.to/2bZ7Ohl

• List of stroage management settings

  Hello

  Currently we use WFD 5.6.5, I want to know if foglight support storage management

  If so, I want to know what are all the list of parameters that will support

  You would be able to run the cartridge storage up to 2.0.X.  New versions 3.0, 2.5 and last would require a new version of the kernel of the FMS (5.6.7 and 5.6.10 respectively).  Support in version 2.0.X bays would be the Compellent, Dell, NetApp (mode 7), Clarrion EMC CX3/CX4 & VNX, HP EVA and Hitachi AMS.  Fiber switches would be Cisco or Brocade (not the renamed McData).

• UCS General questions

  Hello

  I have a few questions about UCS. Do not hesitate to reply to all the of them, thank you!

  1. What are the main benefits of using FCoE vs FC to UCS?
  2. can someone point me to performance data of FCoE vs FC in the UCS?
  3. What is the difference between the fixed modules and expansion on made them other than being able to replace the plug-ins? A difference that I noticed is that when you select "Configure the Ports unified" on the FI, it says that all FI will have to reboot if you use fixed ports, but the port expansion module can restart independently. There are other differences between the fixed modules and expansion?
  4. What is the best practice for creating organizations? The limit is usually the data center? What are the benefits for the combination of several data centers (which could be in the same geographic area) into a single entity?
  5. most people configure UCS of 'root', or they always configuring everything in specific OUs they create?
  6. This setup of most of the organizations mentioned here video separates VSAN for each fabric (A & B)
  a. How are the fiber channel pass setup to accommodate the VSAN on made them?
  7. is there an advantage to having separate VSANS / VLAN ID between fabric A and B? A few examples I see use the same ID of the VSAN on both fabrics, while others are not
  8. in this diagram (link), there are 4 connections from the FIs to the San. Each FI is wired to each storage processor. In this configuration, how it the SAN be configured - ALUA?
  9 (for ESXi hosts) what are the advantages/disadvantages of creating a model vNIC for each tissue, compared to one model for each vmnic vNIC?
  10. under what circumstances should you not check "Activate the failover" for models vNIC for esxi hosts?

  11. What is the best practice for the connection of FEX-to - IOM to the title of the material > policies > policies > chassis/FEX discovered political? Many companies set it up as a Port channel or not?

  (1) complex is the best I can say.  For us, we decided to stay with native CF that we already have the buildout FCC native. Our network group is for us to move to FCoE (we use N5K for our data center fabric switches).  But for our SAN group, we all all comfortable with native CF right now and didn't want to convolute our UCS deployment at a crossing FCoE.

  2) UCS FCoE, comes from the back of the interconnection.  There is no difference in performance. Once FC lands to interconnection, interconnection opens the package and converts it to the headers of FCoE, laying on a VLAN you configure (must be a VLAN unique, it will leave you not overlap with production VLAN defined in UCS already) and sends it to the VIC. The VIC then opens the package FCoE and hands to the BONE as if it were native fiber channel.  The difference in performance between the two is negligible.

  (3) the fixed module is controlled a.  When you change the unified ports any interconnection charges.  When you load a plug-in only the plug-in restarts if you change its setting unified ports.  Another thing to note when buying a plug-in you get you license additional ports that can be used everywhere where (it doesn't have a plug-in port license).  Other than that, the performance and the functionality is the same as fixed.

  (4) create us organizations for each type of OS because different groups managing different OS'. For example, we have an org for VMare, one for Linux, for windows, and then a special one oracle for our DBAs. We then assign permissions via AD to local so the groups have access to their servers with a minimum of effort on our part.

  (5) while root except if necessary below (haven't run this yet)

  (6) as a "best practice", you should always have two separate fabrics. UCS must put the FCoE VLAN fabrics.  To avoid confusion, it is best to put each fabric in its own VSAN. For example, we run our SAN fabric production in VSAN around 10 and FCoE VLAN 3210.  SAN fabric B is to VSAN 11, FCoE VLAN 3211.
  (6A) the prospect of a MDS/Nexus that you put in place a "f-port trunk." Newspapers of the UCS in the fabric as a nport with NPIV (ucs connects and then tells the fiber switch "also, these additional WWPN are also on this port, I just connected to, send their data to me").  You put the f-port channel you create on the mds/nexus device in the VSAN you want (in my example, 10 for A VSAN and VSAN 11b). Also to note: you cross never interconnection fabrics up to your SAN infrastructure. InterConnect will have a port channel to A SAN fabric and
  Interconnect B to B SAN fabric.  Consider the interconnections as HBA on a normal server.  You do not mix the tissues A and B.  That's how you get redundancy SAN.

  (7) see above.  I strongly recommend that create you separate VSANS for each fabric.  This will ensure that nothing ever gets through.

  (8) If you connect directly FIs them processors SAN you must activate the switch for on the UCS fabric mode.  You won't be able to connect the UCS for all fiber switches once do you it, and all the zoning must be done in UCSM. It does not work (we do in our test environment), be aware that it fits well beyond an area.  You would provide the same as before your San.  Activate ALUA.  The first port on each SP would go to FI - A and the second port on each SP would go to the FI - B.  Then the appropriate area in UCSM.

  (9) our ESXi hosts get a minimum of six models of vNIC.  We create an A, B mgmt, A vmotion, vmotion mgmt B, features and data B.  As you can guess, pin us each model to a cloth and do not switch.  This gives us a ton of flexibility within ESXi.  Furthermore, I believe that it is the 'best practice' is not to use the failover fabric for VMware. (If you chose, you will get alarms in vmware indicating that there is no redundancy nic.  There is an advanced disable setting.  Do not have casual, you would need to google that.). I recommend you to make a template for each tissue and keeping them up-to-date as a pair.

  (10) I wouldn't use fabric failover for everything related to VMware, VMware does a great job of redundancy management.  Let it do its work.  We only use the fabric failover for windows and Linux host running the SCU.

  (11) Yes set up as a port channel.  Before you connect the chassis as you can not no interruption of service do this later.  When a frame is automatically recognized, port channels or groups of pine are configured behind the scenes.  You cannot change these directly. Therefore, if you switch to port channels later, the only way to 'rebuild' is to re - emphasize the chassis, which will be the frame and everything in it in offline mode.  Bad day.  If you do not port channels, use the vETH blade interfaces get pinned to an uplink (following the defined process of cisco, google for UCS once again pinning get more information).  The channels of port pine servers to the interface port-channel instead of the uplink interface which makes it much more stable and resistant to link failure.  Pinning, if memory is, if a link to a server is pinned breaks down, the interface of the server is down.  It is not "repin" the link.  Thus, for example, if you do not use channel ports and a server gets pinned to uplink 1/1, and it breaks down, the server will see this interface out of service.  With a port channel, as long as a link in the chain is in place, the server will be displayed.

  I hope this helps. I typed this from my ipad - do not hesitate to respond and I'll try to clarify.

• Foglight for storage management

  Foglight for Storage Management supports management switches HP9500 and storage Compellent and it is just a rebranding or does it have capacity/news?

  It doesn't support HP fiber switches, but it supports without Compellent.  The latest version adds support for physical systems related to the storage, General corrections and some new elements of the user interface.

• The traffic is not correctly distributed through each link of etherchannel.

  Dear team,

  You can all have a clue on below.

  I have a cisco 3560 and created the port-channel switch and assign the port two to Po1 switch is connected to the HP VC.

  The question is highly uses a single port and on the other port no traffic is there.

  Please find below the config for your reference.

  Cisco 3560

  Switch1 #sh su etherchannel

  Flags: - Low P - D bundled in port-channel

  I have - autonomous s - suspended

  H Eve (LACP only)

  R - Layer 3 S - Layer2

  U - running f - cannot allocate an aggregator

  M - don't use, minimum contacts not satisfied

  u - unfit to tied selling

  w waiting to be aggregated

  d default port

  Number of channels in use: 4

  Number of aggregators: 4

  Protocol for the Port-Channel port group

  ------+-------------+-----------+-----------------------------------------------

  1 Po1 (SU) LACP Gi0/28 (P) Gi0/30 (P)

  2 Po2 (SU) - Gi0/22 (P) Gi0/23 (P) Gi0/24 (P)

  Gi0/25 (P) Gi0/26 (P) Gi0/27 (P)

  3 Po3 (SU) - Gi0/6 (P) Gi0/7 (P) Gi0/8 (P)

  Gi0/9 (P) Gi0/10 (P) Gi0/11 (P)

  4 (SU) Po4 - Gi0/1 (P) Gi0/14 (P)

  #sh Switch1 run int po1

  Building configuration...

  Current configuration: 166 bytes

  !

  Interface Port - Channel 1

  Description HP VC

  switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q

  switchport trunk allowed vlanXXXX

  switchport mode trunk

  end

  #sh Switch1 run int g0/28

  Building configuration...

  Current configuration: 223 bytes

  !

  interface GigabitEthernet0/28

  Server HP VC Description

  switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q

  switchport trunk allowed vlan XXXX

  switchport mode trunk

  channel-protocol lacp

  active in mode channel-group 1

  end

  #sh Switch1 run int g0/30

  Building configuration...

  Current configuration: 223 bytes

  !

  interface GigabitEthernet0/30

  Server HP VC Description

  switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q

  switchport trunk allowed vlan XXXX

  switchport mode trunk

  channel-protocol lacp

  active in mode channel-group 1

  end

  Switch1 #.

  Kind regards

  Prasad

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  If you see a load imbalance to THE switch (i.e. from your server), then you should see if your server has any load balancing options like the switch has no control over this.

  If you see load imbalance OF switch (IE your server), then your need to select the best hash algorithm, for your traffic load balancing features.  Often by default of the switch is not the best.  Often using IP source and destination addresses works well.

  Sometimes, realize that the switch does not offer a good hash algorithm for your traffic for load balancing.  For example, if the majority of your traffic was between two hosts (replication, for example), all the traffic that would take the same link.  (Note: a hash of 6500 offers which includes port numbers for such situations, but not 3K switches.)

  This link http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/lan-switching/etherchannel/12023-4.html, explains your choices on different Cisco switches.

• Captivate 9 alignment Quiz questions

  Hi all

  I'm having a little trouble and am unable to find a solution anywhere on the web (so far).

  Let me explain the situation:

  I created a master apron for my business and put everything in plans, good color, and all in the master apron looks perfect.

  However when I add questions to multiple choice or true/false quiz slides to a new project the alignment of the response overlap and may not be suitable.

  After that, I noticed, I went back to the master slides and tried to change alignment here before trying to add slides to a new project.

  Once again the A / B answers where superimposed and I was unable to move either to another location.

  Try to recover the box response and displacement it causes all forms and all other objects on the slide to warp out of shape, while the answer superimposed boxes remain the same.

  Master slides that are do are: multiple CHOICE, T/F, FIB, sequence and multiple CHOICE, T/F, FIB, sequence2

  My version number is: 9.0.1.320

  Thanks in advance for any help.

  Sincerely,

  Sean

  I solved the problem I had with the alignment of the quiz answers.

  It was with the corner radius cut response fields "cemented" in a certain placement of page layout.

  By decreasing the RADIUS response has become incorporated into the form again after box placement which in the live slides I could handle once more the placement of the response boxes.

  So if the alignment of the fixed elements is off and cannot be moved over, check the corner radius to make sure that the object that is aligned incorrectly is embedded in the form once more allowing it to be manipulated to your favorite place!

• What is zoing LUNs and lun masking

  can someone explain ziinsog lun and masking how it's work and about multipathing.

  Zoning - if you want to specify that some hosts to access a device of storage, then you would want to the zoning of the installation.

  This configuration is done on the Fibre Channel switch.  iSCSI and NFS FCoE can also be segmented, but they would use typical methods of segmentation TCPIP as the implementation of a VIRTUAL LAN.

  There are two types of techniques of zoning: zoning Hard and Soft zoning.

  Soft zoning filter one device to another device.  However, if the ports are manually setup, the switch will not stop communication devices.  By comparison, hard zoning prevents a port to send the traffic to the other port and is safer.

  Zoning can also be setup based on the port or the name WWN (World Wide).    Port zoning grants access to a port on a switch to a different port on a switch.  This would require physical security be installed around the Fiber Switch, because the areas could be changed around simply by moving the cable in the switch.  This also makes more of a struggle for management if the switches should be moved or re-cable.  WWN zoning is configured to allow access between two WWN that makes management a little easier, but is also sensitive to the WWN spoofing that could allow access to the storage device.

  Masking-

  Masking of LUN is a process that makes a LUN available to some hosts and unavailable to other hosts.

  LUN masking is implemented mainly at the level of the host bus adapter (HBA). Security benefits of LUN masking implemented at HBA are limited, because with multiple host bus adapters, it is possible to forge source addresses (WWNS/Mac/IPs) and compromising access. Many storage controllers also support LUN masking. LUN masking is implemented at the level of the storage controller, the controller applies access policies to the device and so it is safer. However, it is applied primarily not as a measure of safety in itself, but rather as a protection against faulty servers which can corrupt and disks belonging to other servers. For example, Windows servers connected to a San, under certain conditions, will damage the volumes non-Windows (Unix, Linux, and NetWare) on the SAN by attempting to write Windows volume labels. By hiding the other LUNS in Windows Server, this can be avoided, because the Windows Server does not realize that the other LUNS exist.

• Multi-NIC vMotion with ESXi/vCenter 4.1

  We take running ESXi and vCenter 4.1 and after the secure Channel secure Channel 5.5 class and sitting for my exam in a few weeks, I have actively tried to improve our environment. Previously, to the study and trying to learn more about VMware, we were in pretty bad condition. Relevant material (AMD, Intel CPU, generations of Intel CPU, amount of RAM and CPU), versions hyperviosr Mismatched ESXi and ESX and no redundancy, vmotion and TONS of snapshots as backups.

  In the two weeks since my course, I have eliminated all snapshots (performance daily vCheck to check on the health of the venvironment), emigrated to 5 similar hosts (and memory/cpu configurations) that we had to drag do not, connected to all ports card NETWORK 6 to 2 x 3560g cisco switches and connected the second switch updated ESX to ESXi 4.1 and patched all hosts with Update Manager (nobody used), created the host profiles and compliance on the cluster and hosts, activated DRS and HA, set up a couple of VAPP for STM systems... the list is long

  I still have a lot to learn, but now I'm a bit confused about one thing...

  We use Fibre Channel SAN, one side get our second Fibre Channel switch hooked up for redundancy and I guess that Multi - pathing (?) I have a couple questions question...

  1. set up the second fiber switch would give me several warehouses of data, correct paths?

  2 can I create and separate vMotion in our configuration, using the CF WITHOUT? Any flow of traffic (for vmotion) through the vswitches or he remains behind the FC switch?

  -I know with iSCSI, you want to create a vSwitche separated and installation multi-nic vmotion

  3. in the configuration of the redundant management interfaces do I need to create two vSwitches with vmkernel with separate IP addresses management ports or just create on vSwitch with a vmkernel port and two network cards is assigned to the (two different connected to 2 physical switches physical cards)?

  -We will most likely use VST if we can get the trunk ports to pass traffic defaullt VLAN, so I think it is still acceptable to create separate vSwitches for management, vMotion (if necessary because of the CF) and port VM group? The designs I see online usually use only a vSwitch for VST and multiple is.

  That's all I can think of for now... Just some things that need to be clarified on... I guess I still need a vSwitch vMotion (allocate 2 of 6 network adapters in it) because some type of traffic would pass over him, but I think that most of the vMotion and all the SvMotion would remain behind the FC switch.

  Thanks for any help!

  With regard to the topic of discussion: Multi-NIC vMotion introduced with vSphere 5.x and is not available in earlier versions.

  1.) Multipathing is not related the number of FC switches, but only for the number of initiator and target. However, using several CF toggle availability increases due to redundancy.

  2.) you must differentiate here. vMotion is a live VM migration process to other hosts, i.e. only the workload of the migration. vMotion only uses the network. Storage vMotion on the other side generally used storage connections - i.e. the CF in your case - to migrate files/folders to the virtual machine.

  3.) redundancy for management traffic can be reached in several ways. The easiest is to simply assign multiple uplinks (vmnic) to vSwitch network management. So, a simple 'Netowrk management' will do, and redundancy is made based on recovery of the vSwitch.

  From a design point of view you can use multiple vSwitches for different traffic types, or combine them on a vSwitch by configuring the failover policies for groups (Active/Standby/Unused) port for example.

  André

• Server and storage suggestion

  Hi all

  Please suggest a class machine good server & a NAS (approximately 12 TB) storage for the ESXi 5.x installation.

  I have a budget of 1600000 INR ($26000). Please note that we have another 4 ESXi servers in our environment with local storage. Intend to use this storage to these servers as well.

  Regrads,

  Nithin

  10G compared to 1 GB and fiber network is pretty much a draw until our days and all this boils down to your infrastructure.  If you already have fiber switch up its probably cheaper just go with fiber instead of get a 10 GB iSCSI SAN and a 10 GB switch, however if you do not have fiber 10 GB switch with 10 GB iSCSI is a good solution.  The nice thing about 1 GB iSCSI is it can be attached anywhere pretty easily because it requires just a nic, NIC 10 GB start to be this much too as the price on them is going down and they become more frequent.

  Another SAN manufacturing that makes just iSCSI is the Dell Equallogic series without.  These box isn't bad and REALLY simple to use with a wide range of configuration options.

  nhagoort suggested VSAN that is a very interesting option which I think will be a good possible fit for a lot of people on the road, however, VSAN is a technology of generation 1 and vmware is currently working on obtaining reports more as currently VSAN statement falls a bit short.  I'll direct you to the following article: http://www.reddit.com/r/vmware/comments/2799p4/root_cause_analysis_of_my_vsan_outage/

  Now this particular problem is a local table of low-grade controller in the Dell server that caused the problem, but the article goes over how VSAN works very well and also how they have solved.  I have no doubt with good material VSAN might be really good, especially with a lot of SSD, fusion IO cards ect coming out, however I have never been one to jump on the bandwagon Gen1 outside the trial / lab / dev stuff.

  Hope this has helped.

• HP StorageWorks 82 or 82Q

  Hello

  I am new to VMware ESXi, San and fiber.

  The here is what I propose to buy but I'm not sure on the best fiber HBA for ESXi 5 servers with respect to the support and drivers, etc...

  The two I've been watching HP StorageWorks 82 Q QLogic and Brocade HP StorageWorks 82 b is there much difference?

  Thank you

  5 x servers
  HP ProLiant DL380p Gen8 High Performance (662257-421)

  5 x fiber HBA
  HP StorageWorks PCI - e Fibre Channel Host Bus Adapter 82Q double Port (AJ764A)

  2 x Fiber Switch
  HP StorageWorks 8/20 q Fibre Channel Switch (AQ233A)

  1 x SAN
  HP StorageWorks Modular Smart Array P2000 G3 FC Dual Controller SFF Array (AP846A)

  12 x cables to fibre
  HP first Flex OM4 (QK732A)

  We found the cards Brocade 82 b has no support direct attach (mode loop to be precise). This shouldn't be a problem given your switch, but after finding out the hard way, all of our deployments were with the 82 q and we found them works fine in every ESXi environment we have.

  These two cards are however in the HCL and should be good.